50-60.000 after or befor deductions? I presume hopefully after..)))
Can you please comment this phrase:
As a side note, they (ETH) calculate your salary based on years after completion on your PhD....
Thanks
have to say that this is not correct. Perhaps in your specific field, but there is no minimum with which an advisor has to pay their post-docs at the ETH. Based on my experience in my department amongst the post-docs I have talked to in my lab and others the average would be about CHF 50,000-60,000, with of course some making higher. (This being on average about CHF 15,000-20,000 more a year than PhDs make annually).
You said you were a chemist. Most chemist post-doctoral researchers I know at the ETH make between CHF 50,000-60,000 a year before taxes. Based on your statement that you've just completed your PhD I'm assuming you're used to making much less than that. As a single person it is plenty to live on. If you're looking to make more money, get an actual job with a company. Post-doc positions at universities aren't known for their stellar salaries.
I think that comment about the raise in salary was based upon that some labs would pay you say CHF 50,000 your first year, perhaps CHF 53,000 your second year etc. It really wouldn't have anything to do with experience after your PhD because generally people go for their post-docs directly after attaining it. Although in some cases people do two or more post-docs which might raise your salary a bit but that would depend on the professor you worked for.
I don't know if it happens in Switzerland but I do know in the US there are often in sciences like biology, neuroscience, some in chemistry etc. which we refer to as perma-docs. Post-docs who work for 5 even 10 years for the same professor for various personal or professional reasons.
Hallo!
Please go to google and enter ETH Lohn Postdoktorand: read , if you can german!
A postdoc at the ETH get 78.000 CH or more before deductions. It means Wissenschaftlich Assistenz II.
You mentioned instead 50-60.000 CH before deductions. It seems to be as professors take postdocs and pay them as it would be a Ph.D. student - wissenschaftliche Assistenz I.
Because the salary 60.000 falls in this category.
Can you comment this?
Even though an official full salary for a post-doc might be 78k and for a PhD student might be 60k, many people will not be getting paid a 100% wage. Many PhD students are on a 60% wage, and many post-docs are on a 80% wage of the recommended amount. It depends how much money your advisor has available and how much money you might get from other sources.
In general, if you're that worried about money then I don't expect that academia is the right place for you. As chemgoodness suggested, try the business world. If you want to stay in academia then find a prof' that you'd like to work for in a region of the world that you'd be happy living in for a few years, and then be satisfied with whatever wage he/she can offer you.
A average nett salary of 5200 chf per month for a post doctoral fellow is the norm at academic institutions across chf. At the ETH in zürich this is around 5400 chf nett and at the univeristy of zürich 5000 chf nett.
Unfortunately if you do not become an oberassistant (group leader) in the near future don't expect this salary to increase by more than 500chf (on your gross) per year.
May not be any where near what a banker in Zürich netts per month but other perks in academia certainly make up for it.
I don't worry about money, but it is reasonable to know this befor as after starting a postdoc. Ok get relax!
I'm sure that if you put as much effort into your postdoc as you are doing into researching your salary you will have a very successful time . The salary will be good in comparison to most other countries and far better than many. Plus, you will have the fresh air, mountains and as much chocolate as you can handle. Life is good here
I will get 4500 (brutto) in month it means after taxes it should be 3700... (I'm chemist, postdoc) at ETH.
Why?
Not being a chemist myself but daring to venture out there and say that if you are at the ETHZ (Zürich) this is indeed a low salary. The actual salary does vary between departments but as i stated before the standard is around 5000 chf nett/month for such positions in Zürich.
I really would try to negotiate this...
I'm not in Zurich, and I will presumably not go there, becauase of low salary, which is for Ausländer!
I think they could not be tried to pay this amount of money to a swiss person or german one.
Yes, they could and do. Has nothing to do with nationality. Some professors have more money for post-docs than others do.
Agreed that this is not an auslander thing. My post meant to query where in CH you were interested in taking up the post-doc (Zürich will have the highest salary).
I have a lot of interaction with post-docs here in Zürich, from baltic states, Africa, US, Aus, and NZ and there is no significant salary disparity (across many different institutes operated by the UniZH the range is not more than 200 chf either way) but there are big disparities with other cities e.g. Bern, Lausanne.
You seem very upset by this, this should not be the reason for putting off what could be a very rewarding research experience.... rather ask for more transparency with the salary... PhDs survive on less here in Zürich (2400 chf /month) and your stated remuneration should be more than sufficient to keep you in a reasonably good lifestyle (even in Zürich)
I am into my 4th postdoc year at the University in Fribourg (Department of Medicine). I pay Swiss tax and come home with arond Sfr 6400 per month (x 13). That's fanatastic compared to a postdoc in the UK, but it's tough here with a family .
Hi all,
In my opinion, the salary for postdoc position in CH is from aver around 80.000 CHF and you got the fair pay for the first working year. My friend coming from Australia, post-doc position, was paid 78K for the first year and 80.000 for the next year. It sound to be true that here the Swiss are always paid more than non-Swiss even with same qualifications. Anyway, the salary is still much higher than that of other countries and you still afford a very good life here, so it 's worth a move !
Hello everybody,
How is the postdoc in EPFL (lausanne) paid?
How much difference will it be between nett and gross salary?
Thank you in advance!
Greetings! This is me exactly - a postdoc at EPFL, in my first job after the Doctorate. I get 75k before tax, with about 27% going in automatically paid taxes. As a single guy it's a good amount to live on comfortably, save for my horrific student loan and still afford a holiday overseas + the long trip home to the other side of the world each year.
Hi there,
I'm from Australia and I will meeting someone at U.Zurich soon regarding a postdoctoral position (I've only just submitted my PhD). I believe I have a good chance at this post so I am going to throw some questions out there to help me be more prepared. As is always the case the position was advertised without a salary. A bit of 'googling' found me the same position on other websites stating the position to be a "50% postdoctoral Research Fellow position". Before browsing this forum I had no idea what it meant but now it seems that it means I will be paid 50% of the normal wage! At least I think so. If CHF78k is the norm...should I even bother accepting this position?
Cheers
Oby
Don't get bogged down in semantics. The whole 1.0 or 0.6 or 0.5 position is solely an academic thing that seems to be true across most universities that is directly correlated to your wage and nothing else. Again, Nothing Else . It has more to do with university accounting than anything.
And again, it's a post-doctoral position . Not a job in a company. It also depends on what you want to do after you post-doc. Do you want to go into academia? Does your future research advisor have a reputation for post-docs going into academia and are they world-renowned in their respective field? If yes and yes, you're salary shouldn't play that much of a factor into it. Do you plan to go into industry? Does your future research advisor have strong industrial ties? If yes, then it shouldn't matter how much they pay you.
Do you think you could do better research, make more money and have a higher quality of life somewhere else? Than go there.
If you're going to do a post-doc and your salary is really important to you, you might as well not do a post-doc and go into industry. Again, you're going to be a post-doc and you're worried you might only make CHF 78,000/year? Seriously? Where else in the world you gonna go and make more than that as a post-doc?
Most post-docs in other countries, even in the US, even in NY, only pay about $40,000/year.
If you are a single person, just out of PhD where you most likely didn't have much money anyways you can live very well, on CHF 50,000/year.
For staying in academia, the only real salary requirement should be that you make more/year than you did before.
Thanks Chemgoddess,
I really needed someone to slap some sense into me. I've had the whole 'academia vs industry' debate with my peers and I know of the stakes. Perhaps the trauma of completing the PhD put the thought of money into my head by default, rather than the big picture. I was also obviously scared of the high standard of living Zurich is known for. I'm an analytical chemist stepping into archaeology and this postdoc will be a truckload of fun
No worries. And I can tell you've really just only finished your PhD cause you refer to it as the "trauma of finishing" You're so right, it is traumatic.
After I turned in my thesis to my committee I kept saying, "If they want me to do anything else or make any major corrections, they can take my thesis and shove it up their collective @sses."