Forget about the rules. Please get tested if you have been anywhere, especially WITHIN Switzerland. Any means of transport increases your risk of infection. - And Switzerland currently having one of the highest infection rates in Europe, staying in Switzerland statistically bears the highest risk of infection.
FTFY
Let me get this right.
Your worry, is that IF YOU HAVE COVID, you still want to be able to fly, infect a group of people, etc... and are looking for a way around that?
Do you need a PLF when you come from a neighbouring area that has been excluded from a mandatory test ? If I go shopping in France for a day do I need a PLF ?
No, my gripe is with the kneejerk panick reaction of the Swiss government demanding tests for fully vaccinated people that want to return to their home in Switzerland. A month ago no tests were necessary.
Also, if the government really want to do something they should close schools and make home office obligatory. The virus is already here and spreading in companies, public transport and schools. Forcing tests and possibly stranding fully vaccinated people abroad is not going to make a difference.
Maybe because we are seeing that fully vaccinated people are still getting and transmitting COVID?
Covid border measures in Europe are a political venting hole for latent Xenophobia.
Based on my limited knowledge, it seems that the latest variant can infect people with two vaccines.
That's why in some places (e.g. Germany) they ask for 2 vaccines + PCR or 3 doses.
Just for clarity, the gripe is that if you, fully vaccinated, as a result of the test were to test positive and be forced into quarantine before arriving back in Switzerland. Did I get that right?
there seems to be some "vaccination-entitlement", where people believe that they have some kind of special rights as they got the shot: no testing, no quarantine etc.
When events change, I change my mind. What do you do?
I'm not sure this would work as passport control is shared for both Swiss and French sides. Residence permit would be a big giveaway. Arriving with a French locator form could work though. Maybe you give it a go and let us know how you get on?
So you want our public blessing to break the law ?
Well well well I see a lot of people on their high horses here on anonymous internet forum. Let me tell you what happened to me last week - been doing paragliding course in spain for 2 weeks to get self-sufficient (and fly over the borders ) and during the course rules changed. Fine by me, adding 300 chf expense on the trip for 2 tests, nothing horrible.
But - I was so remote that no PCR test was possible to be done in advance, if I had to do finish the course. Plenty of antigens around but they are not accepted. Its easy to feel that PCR is easily available when living in big city in well developed country.
So what I ended up doing - taking a train, then another and a final one (Spanish ones can go 300kmh too!). Then using Geneva public transport. 2 days instead of 2 hour direct flight already booked.
Anyway all the data suggest omicron will run through population like white-hot knife through butter, and in this case desperately shielding might not be the best idea - get an easy covid (within its possibilities) and get through it. Free vaccination for antivaxers as a bonus. Or not, but don't expect people to self-sacrifice just because some bureaucrats freak out.
I'm driving to Germany for Christmas and back just afterwards. Do I need to do the form and tests?
That’s my understanding too.
He is worried that if he has to do a PCR and he comes back positive despite being vaccinated (which is totally possible) he would have to quarantine which would be very inconvenient for him.
He doesn’t seem too worried about how inconvenient it would be for other passengers on the plane if they caught Covid on the plane from him if he was positive but didn’t do the PCR test beforehand due to his scheme of travelling via France.
I doubt it would work anyway as I assume it’s the destination of that flight that counts and not which exit you leave the airport by. The checks are carried out at the departure airport.
Theoretically there are restrictions , practically these are not enforced or are almost impossible to be enforced.
Additionally, persons entering Germany following a stay in a high-risk area (but not an area of variant of concern) are exempt from this requirement for stays of less than 72 hours to visit close relatives (parents, children), spouses and partners who do not belong to the same household, or for the purpose of shared custody.
Yes, exactly this. Don't forget this attitude was OK a month ago.
Was that attitude really ok a month ago?
Things were different a month ago and Omicron wasn’t a thing then so the tests were not required.
Whether you agree with them or not the measures are there to protect people and tte healthcare system ( in theory) and trying to circumvent them just because they’re inconvenient for you is pretty selfish.
well, maybe it is too much to call it circumvent. We all looking for efficient way to comply with the rules especially when you have possibility of using several types of transport, live next to a border etc.
Think about it like taxes. Rich people and companies think taxes are inconvenient and do whatever they can to circumvent them.
I just hate the hypocracy. Putting your health and everyone elses at risk is fine when it goes towards the economy. So far no home office mandatory, so going on busy public transport, border commuting, eating in restaurants over lunchtime, sitting with multiple collegues in an office, this is all fine. My company even condones business travel for work. But the same company also says they will fire anyone putting themselves at unnecessary risk during leasure time and catching the virus.
In the mean time everyone seems to be ignoring the doctors in South Africa, saying Omicron is not that bad. Every media outlet tells you this is because the population is relatively young, but forgets to mention 20% of the population suffers from HIV.