Hi,
It seems many of the Zürich people cross the German border in Rafz to go to Lottststetten and Jestetten for shopping. I have a question about that particular border crossing, and also maybe also others:
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When entering Germany from Switzerland, there is a 60 km/h and then an explicit 20 km/h speed limit sign just before crossing and then after the crossing, a white end-of-limits sign signaling the general German limit of 100 km/h. So far all good
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But coming back to Switzerland, while the 20 km/h speed limit sign is again installed before the crossing, the white end-of-limits sign on the Swiss side is installed quite further from the crossing compared to the 20 km/h sign. Indeed, it is installed opposite the 60km/h speed sign of the CH-DE direction, not the 20 km/h which is closer to the border. Even more interesting, the white sign signals an end to a 60 km/h speed limit, but there is no actual 60 km/h sign before when entering from the German side.
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So, are we expected to go 20 km/h up until that white sign on the Swiss side? I always feel that drivers behind me do not want to do that :")
In general, I know that the Zoll/Douane/Customs sign in Switzerland, implies a 20 km/h speed limit, regardless of whether a speed limit sign is explicitly installed or not. But what about when “entering” Switzerland? Is it just the general limit right after crossing the border, unless signaled otherwise? Or we should go 20 km/h up until some distance?
Many thanks
Here is the Google Street View of the area: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6146…8192?entry=ttu . It is quite up to date, but I’m pretty sure the white sign had a 60 on it.
I have often wondered the same thing.
I hope/suspect the 20 limit finishes at the sign after the Zoll on the right that lists the various Swiss speed limits for different road conditions but probably that is my wishful thinking.
I agree there are no 60 limits to be cancelled.
I have tried driving at 20 to that end of 60 sign but the people behind me do get upset.
Edit: I agree that no speed limit sign in your link after the Zoll is now an end of 60 sign
It makes sense.
Exactly. Same here, same reaction.
I would drive 80 from the big sign with all the speed limits.
Reason: The last speed limit was a German one and custom/zoll/duonne signs says you must stop when custom officer are on place, otherwise the speed limit at the border crossing is 20 km/h.
Compare with others such as Rafz (Landstrasse) or Wasterkingen.
Art. 31 SSV / OSR
Thanks. But it's about leaving Switzerland, not entering. Right?
If it was about leaving Switzerland then he would have written "I would drive 100 from..............
I meant the article. Edited to be clear.
When entering CH the sign you see before the 20km/h is German. This is immaterial on the CH side (different jurisdiction), so without explicit instructions the general rules apply, making the limit on "normal" roads 60km/h in lightly, and 50km/h in densely, built-up areas.
You mean 80, right? Where does 60 come from?
Yes ausserorts, including Rafz. 50 and 60 depend as ususal on buildup density, that's what I had in mind above (corrected now).
You generally have the same speed in both directions. Not always though
From what Swiss regulation do you get the 60 km/h from? Or did you just invent something?
Always the charmer, how very nice of you.
Did you know there’s that thing called practice, real life experience. It’s a brand new thing and quite cool. The same speed applies in the opposite direction last time I went through.
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6608…8192?entry=ttu
I'm sorry but this not guaranteed, right? I can right away give you two counterexamples, but they are in Germany. Have to think more for Swiss ones and others may have more, too
As already mentioned. No idea why you think I would care though, after implying that I'm lying.
You are claiming the speed limit is not the same on both sides of the Border Crossing Rafz-Lottstetten, I have been through it recently and it is the same..
Where did I imply that?
Is there a huge misunderstanding here? You Google link open a totally different crossing for me (Kreuzlingen - Konstanz).
Didn't we have the same opinion on the first two messages of this thread ("...I wonder the same...").
Am I dumb or there is a misunderstanding here?