Buying a car here as a foreigner

Hi,

I've found a car to buy, but I think I need to do the following first, however I'm not sure. Get some insurance - obvious really - but does the garage need to see an insurance certificate? Number plates - I don't know what needs to be done here but do I have to have some plates before I buy it? I don't have a swiss driving license yet (I have a UK one) but I will applying for one of those when my permit renewal comes through. MFK - the car doesn't have MFK but is it law to have one? How do I get this done? The garage I went to won't do it because it's a cheap high miler. Thanks for any advice on the process I need to follow.

keymoo

From the few cars I've bought, the process has been as such for me:

1) one doesn't need a drivers license or license plates to buy a car. You can buy one, you just won't be able to drive one. You can't get license plates for the car without a drivers license however... and the insurance company may not give you insurance without it either.

2) to have the license plates, you need to have insurance. The insurance papers are proof that the local car authority bureau can provide you with plates.

3) I know colleagues who bought cars in Switzerland, but they still had their foreign drivers license. As such, you can buy the car and drive it, but after 1 year your foreign drivers license is no longer valid and you must get a Swiss one. Do it asap as it will be easier and cost you less (and you won't have to do the theory/practical driving test).

4) you can ask the garage to do all the paper work for you. Tell them which insurance company you want to use, they'll get you a quote, they'll get you the gray card for the car and the license plates. Can be up to a ten day process, but they can sometimes do it quicker then you on your own. It will be cheapest if you begin calling insurance companies instead. They'll need a photocopy of the cars gray paper to get the process underway.

5) garages are not obliged to give you a warranty on second hand cars, but you can always ask for one, you never know. Even a 3 month warranty can be nice.

Thanks for that - seems quite a lot of paperwork to wade through. Kind of puts me off buying the thing.

So is warranty different to MFK?

The warranty is the guarantee from the seller. MFK is a test to ascertain road worthiness.

And that the engine bay is sparklingly clean.

Don't wait for the plates. Mine took a week. Go to the licensing centre personally.

I put my insurance agent in touch with my car dealer, and they

handled all of the paperwork.

I just had to sign a few papers when I picked the car up!

MFK translates directly to "Motor Vehicle Inspection"

In other countries also known as "WOF" or Warrant of Fitness.

Basically, it is the safety check as required by the regulations in this country.

If the garage will not do the MFK and its a cheap high miler, you will have to pay alot when it comes to getting the MFK done. Shop arround and you will find a garage who will sell you a car with a valid MFK, even if you spend another CHF 500 or so more. Also without a valid MFK, you cannot use the vehicle. Good luck!

Ask for reduction of price basing on car issues. Well, all old cars have some issues. If you can't find them, find some friend which can come with you & can find them. So, point to issues and ask for reduction. The garage will say "no". Propose to make a compromise, let the garage make MFK and you buy the car for the price they want to.

Normally, garages do MFK without any extra money. The reason for that is simple: they have connections with "SAN" and they can make it simpler. Usually, the garage is condifident and knows whether the car/bike will pass expertise or not.

Most likely, you car would not pass MFK, and garage does not want to resolve this.

When I was buying a motocycle, before even buying I asked a lot of questions to garage, including "will you pass expertise for me in the day when I buy the bike"? The answer was "of course, we can do expertise if you want".

Of course I wanted So, with zero costs I got the expertise for the bike.

On the other hand, I got my first car without an extertise from a private seller. It was a nightmare for me to pass expertise myself

It costs me actually more than 1000 CHF which was a 30% of the cost of the car in that time.

So, my advice: let the garage make the MFK, and never buy old and cheap cars here without MFK.

Have to agree with some of the other members. If the the dealer won't do the MFK......................run away.

Know what you're doing or take a mechanic with you....

Probably not zero cost, free lunches don't exist. The costs were included somewhere for somebody to take the bike for MFK. Maybe you didn't get as big a discount as was available but the MFK was thrown in instead.

You must arrange insurance before you get the plates. You contact your insurance company of choice and tell them the information that they need to offer an insurance policy on the car. If you are going through with the purchase you tell the company that you are buying the car and they will send a letter of intent to insure to the SAN. They don't send anything to you at this time.

The garage shouldn't need to see proof of insurance unless they are going to take care of the paperwork for you and get the plates for your car.

You can't get number plates until you have a cancelled gray card. Which is the registration papers of the vehicle. Your previous owner must have cancelled their registration on the vehicle. This releases them from ownership and responsibility and liability for the vehicle. When the grey card is cancelled the insurance policy will be cancelled.

I.E. If you don't have a valid and current registration then you can't have insurance on the vehicle. If you don't have insurance then you can't get the vehicle registered and plated. It is kind of a catch 22. I found this to be the biggest PITA. How to get plates for you car when you can't drive it because you don't have insurance until there are plates on your car.

Your car doesn't have to have an MFK before you agree to buy it. But as with anything else there are some caveats.

Your car must have a valid MFK. This means that if you don't have one you will have to get one before you can get plates. It also means that if the MFK on your car is getting close to expiring then you will have to do it at some point after you own the car. My opinion on this, having done it myself, is that you should get the current owner or garage to do that MFK before you agree to buy the car. Others have said this as well and I would go with their advice. If there is nothing wrong the car then the MFK is trivial and inexpensive. If not, then meeting the requirements of the MFK will probably be very expensive and could be time consuming. After all you wouldn't have a license for the car nor insurance.

Another thing you need for your car is certification of meeting emissions requirements. This must be done every 2 years. Most people forget about this but if your sticker isn't up to date you can be fined for it. If it can't be easily done this is another thing that can become expensive.

Basically, if you can't get the current possessor of the vehicle to do the MFK and the Emissions test and get them both passed then I would run and not walk away from the situation. Don't listen to admonitions that the car has a valid MFK and Emissions Sticker. Have them both redone as a sort of proof that the car meets requirements at the time of purchase.

You should have the following when you go to register your car.

1. Cancelled grey card (registration) for the vehicle.

2. proof of MFK.

3. proof of Emissions Control.

4. Letter of intent to insure.

5. Letter of sale. Some document that says that the previous owner sold you the vehicle and you bought it and for what consideration. I.E. how much money.

6. Your Identity Papers. Makes life easier for the people at the SAN.

They will issue your plates on the spot, unless there is something wrong. You will receive a billag in the mail later by the end of the month.

Your insurance will go into effect immediately and you will receive papers to sign and return in the mail. I can't stress how important it is to sign and return these papers as soon as you get them. If you fail to do so and have an accident you may not be covered as you are not legally insured until you have sign and returned these papers. You will not receive a billag until you do so. If your policy is cancelled because of your failure to sign and return the papers your registration will be annulled. Eventually, the police will ask you to return your plates. If you fail to do so the police will eventually confiscate your plates. It goes without saying if you have an accident without being properly covered you may be SOL.

Don't forget the ask for the certification of any and all modifications made to the car. This includes roof racks, any non OEM wheels, etc. If you are pulled over and don't have certification of any modification that might affect the roadworthiness of the vehicle in any way you can be sited and possibly fined and/or have your registration revoked.

If you travel outside the EU then you should ask your insurance agent for a "Green Card" that is proof of insurance in other outside countries.

It is a bit of a wind-up but if you cross your t's and dot your i's it is actually quite simple to do by yourself. When in doubt, I have found that the people at the SAN are helpful and will tell you exactly what you need to accomplish your goal.

Good Luck,

Older cars without MFK's are practically free here. Many are literally given away. Someone I know was selling their small car, >10 years old on Ricardo, only 65,000km, for 2500 with new MFK. When it actually failed needing a small repair (water pump leak, new wing mirror, 700chf+), they let it go for 300chf.

Water pump is usually somewhere near timing belt. To dismount timing belt it takes up to 900 CHF here. Plus costs of the parts. It can go easially more than 1200 CHF. Which is 50% of the car

The suggestion is to have an expensive, fresh and reliable car. If it costs 20k, you can easy spend 1000 CHF for reperation of water pump But the fresh and reliable cars do not break, right?

this will be a lame question but i never bought a car in my entire life. i have been here in zurich since july and turns out the lease contract of my company with vw expires end of december. now, most employees voted that they want the car allowance, not the company pool cars and they will get their own cars.

so it seems like i will have to buy my own car (the job requires a car). i have no idea about cars, i know which ones i think look nice - but i doubt i will be able to afford a lexus from an approximately 1000 chf allowance. what should i do? how do you buy a car here, or loan, or whatever it is? can i buy a car with a b permit? how much will the entire procedure cost? do i need to pay some of the price in advance? i am terrified already. any help appreciated.

It's easy.

Visit a 2nd hand car yard, ask them what 1000-month would get you as a lease for a 2nd hand car. You'll have lots to choose from. You can discuss leas or purchase with them. Or visit a brand new car yard as well, you can easily lease a small car for around 400 a month

When the car yard sells you the car, they'll handle all of the paperwork and you'll be able to drive away with the vehicle - not on the same day, but about a week later as they have to get the number plates.

The only thing you need to do is ring your insurance company and tell them you bought a car and need insurance, plus the proof of insurance document. The insurance co can either send you the proof of insurance doc or send it to the vehicle registry office on your behalf.

As for costs:

2nd hand car: 2,000 to 100,000, depending on what you want. eg 2,000 for a 15yr old VW to 100,000 for a 1 yr old Maserati.

Annual rego costs: vary by cc, but your typical 2L car is 395.- a year in Kanton ZH

See here: http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/ds/st...ben/VA_PW.html

Motorway Vignette = 40.- a year

And vehicle insurance depending on what you get and your age etc somewhere between 500 and 2000 a year

And a B permit is no problem to buy a car, but ask when leasing as maybe the lease co has some restrictions... eg: why commit to a 5yr lease for a person on a 1-yr B permit?

what i am interested in is whether it is possible to get a car lease without down payment, if talking about a new car?

and is it possible to buy the car and the rest of its payment, i.e. the lease off someone if they do not want to/can't pay it any more?