Buying a used vehicle in EU

Hi All,

I am considering buying a used vehicle in EU (germany or italy?) and bringing to back to CH. My motivation is that prices are cheaper than CH.

I have a lot of questions around how to buy and drive it back. For example,

  • what the best way to get license plates to drive it back to CH? Will Germany or Italy issue me a temporary plate? How do I get insurance for the vehicle?
  • Do German car dealers do leasing for a buyer living in CH?
  • With foreign plates, can i go to strassenverkehrsamt with the foreign plates, pay the vat+registration, show proof of CH insurnace and get CH plates?
  • Will CH authorities accept DE/IT test (like emissions, etc)?
  • How do I get the (german/IT) VAT back?
  • Will German/IT do leasing if the car is in CH?
  • Can I get CH company to lease if the vehicle is sold in DE/IT?

German TCS told me they could do this for me - only liability insurance and temporary plates, for a charge of EUR 1850.0

Is there an easier process? the most financially economical process? The least painful process?

TIA!

  • what the best way to get license plates to drive it back to CH? Will Germany or Italy issue me a temporary plate? How do I get insurance for the vehicle?
    German temporary plates include temporary basic insurance

  • Do German car dealers do leasing for a buyer living in CH?
    Possibly, you need to ask them

  • With foreign plates, can i go to strassenverkehrsamt with the foreign plates, pay the vat+registration, show proof of CH insurnace and get CH plates?
    You will need a successful Swiss Verkehrsamt test
    CH insurance is only available when you have CH plates

  • Will CH authorities accept DE/IT test (like emissions, etc)? No

  • How do I get the (german/IT) VAT back? Discussion between you and the seller.

  • Will German/IT do leasing if the car is in CH? Possibly you need to ask more than one company

  • Can I get CH company to lease if the vehicle is sold in DE/IT? Possibly you need to ask more than one company

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Which car would that be?

And is it really significantly cheaper after transport etc?

Sure, you can drive it down yourself - but the temporary insurance is only a “Haftpflicht”. If for some reason the car gets damaged or totaled, it will come out of your own pocket.

VAT you only get back from a dealer - and even then the car must be eligible.

Several grey importers will do the work for you such as Auto Zuri West, several others however you won’t get free servicing or full warranty in CH. Specification will be different, when you come to part exchange they will take you pants down.

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can i please ask for more details/terms/conditions around this?

Is there an alternate authority who can verify what ‘dealer says’?

If the ad says VAT is refundable, that usually means it is.

These days, it’s hardly worth it IMHO, unless it’s something rare or otherwise special.

It is entirely the dealers decision to refund or not

Only they can handle their VAT, it’s their commercial decision

  • what the best way to get license plates to drive it back to CH? Will Germany or Italy issue me a temporary plate? How do I get insurance for the vehicle?
    → German export plates are easy to get and include 3rd party liability insurance. You can do everything online. For Italy I don’t know

  • Do German car dealers do leasing for a buyer living in CH?
    → Not a chance. They cannot enforce on the collateral in case of default when you’re in a foreign country. And dealers don’t lease - banks do and the garages get in the middle and participate in the deal.

  • With foreign plates, can i go to strassenverkehrsamt with the foreign plates, pay the vat+registration, show proof of CH insurnace and get CH plates?
    → You need to stop at the border, pay VAT + import tax, receive a paper that says car is now imported in CH. Then you go to STVA and arrange an MFK. Since this is an import it will also require a COC from the manufacturer (you can get from the main importer of the respective brand here, or from the manufacturer directly, or from online places) and it is also a much stricter and much more thorough process than the typical periodical check. When you get an appoinmtent ready for the MFK arrange the insurance as well, because the moment you pass, you get a grey card and your plates, and for that you require insurance.

  • Will CH authorities accept DE/IT test (like emissions, etc)?
    → Nope

  • How do I get the (german/IT) VAT back?
    → as others answered, only in special cases

  • Will German/IT do leasing if the car is in CH?
    → Again no chance.

  • Can I get CH company to lease if the vehicle is sold in DE/IT?
    → You can get a private loan which is high interest as it’s your money to do whatever and the bank has no collateral on it. For a lease you need a garage to get in the middle, and you should expect that they will ask for a commission for the service. Budget 5% (if they accept), and if the amount is small probably higher % as they most likely ask for a fixed amount. If you tell them it’s an import they will likely ask to do the import so that they can make extra there. It’s doable but a real hassle. I would budget an import on a cash basis alone. Between commissions for services to get a lease, or the expensive interest rate on a personal loan, it gets quite expensive fast, so could potentially wipe any cost savings you were looking for.

Importing is doable, and not that scary. Swiss or EU car makes no difference, all cars are homologated under the same standards for the continent. It only makes a difference if the car is relatively new and the main imports are with free maintenance packages. Otherwise technically and practically it’s the same thing and I would not expect to make a difference in price. People that are looking for “Swiss cars” that are out of warranty and free service packages don’t really know what they’re looking for other than a vague idea with unspecified benefits. German TUV is as strict as the Swiss MFK, and much stricter on duration. They get checked more often and at the same standard. I wouldn’t expect Germans to be any more or less negligent on general maintenance of their cars compared to the Swiss, and the climate is the same so rust issues from salt etc are the same.

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:broken_heart:

How do you know I was looking at ad ad for a Honda S2000 in Basel while dreaming about those unspecified benefits?

Joking aside, if you can get one for reasonable money, do it. I have mine for more than 10 years now, and it’s such a great little car.

But don’t expect a relaxed cruiser convertible, you’ll be disappointed and better look at Boxster/Z4.

Would it not be more practical to simply get a new Panda? https://youtu.be/tbbYfRioxUc

Some used company vehicles are sold + VAT, those will be refundable but not second hand vehicles sold on the margin scheme as there is only VAT charged on the Gross Profit not the selling price.

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On mobile.de you can add a filter for German dealers that handle ‘VAT reclaims’, and presumably they also have experience exporting outside the EU.

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@Castro :folded_hands: :folded_hands: :clinking_beer_mugs: