changing door lock

Accomodation, House and Garden
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If you had bothered to read the linked threads, you will realise that in Switzerland it can be very different. Locksmiths verify with the landlord, key systems are different as well.

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Dear Mahmoud, you are no longer in your country, you are here, and the rules and laws are now Swiss!

Your landlord is NOT allowed to keep any spare keys!

If you change the lock your rental contract can be invalid.

Your apartment lock will be registered at a locksmith, and only the owner is permitted to order extra keys.

You must order new key(S) from the lock owner, which is the landlord.

Please close this thread now.

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Mahmood - sorry to say, but you are no longer 'back home' and somehow you'll have to come to terms with this. You can't change the lock, you have to order a new key specific to your apartment via your landlord/agency- and it will cost more than you expected. That's it - punkt schluss.

Losing your marbles, is an English expression (marbles = brain)

OK, good luck. No point in continuing this discussion, nothing more to be said.

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a little scary note on this, the tenant before me had lost 1 of the 5 keys and had to had the locks changed by the agency: CHF 800....

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Which means that you can change the lock but at the end of the tenancy everything has to be as it was at the beginning. Changing the lock does not destroy or break anything at all.

Correct.

Certainly not. The would be to harsh.

It will be most likely registered keys but we are not sure if this is true or not.

We also do not know if there is one single key for main entrance and apartment or two separate keys.

To the OP: changing the lock will help you only in the short term at the end you have to fix the lock to your landlords standard and request, this may cost you around CHF 400 (new keying for your apartment lock and a new set of keys) or even more (In the case the main entry door gets a new keying EVERY tenant would get a new set of keys (but not locks) !!!)

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However, depending on the lock type and variant, you can usually get copies made in Italy no problem.

Tom

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Thanks Tom, but HE doesn't have anything to copy.

I bought a copy of my secure garage key via my landlord for CHF 54,--

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copies wont help at the end as each key is serialised and they can see its a copy straight away.

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Yes they will, if you copy the originals and keep them in a safe place and use the copies!

Tom

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mahood.... welcome to earth.. you have landed in Switzerland and here, the rules are a little different from where you come

suggestions (only two)

Dial into the mothership and see if they can come pick you up, as your earthling listening skills have greatly diminished to the point of complete failure

Try and pay attention and stop trolling ... YOU CANNOT REPLACE YOUR LOCK without notifying the building. THE REASON IS that the common area to which YOUR KEY also works, is THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. Therefore, without involvement of your landlord, this would be next to impossible.

Now, if you are currently subletting under some rock in the middle of the woods, then you have no problems, change all the keys you want

You will also note, you may want to check with the person you are subletting from because he may get tossed if the landlord finds out about your scheme.

Have you thought about just talking to the person you are renting from? I know it is archaic to consider conversation for resolution, but I do believe that some forms of communication have existed for millions of years, so you just might have a chance.

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in that case yes, but if you have lost an original as the OP has and the resulting discussion.....

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you can get a locksmith to change the lock for you and they will provide all the materials.

you will need to change the lock back to the original when you move out (unless your landlord agrees otherwise).

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A landlord always has a pass key in case of emergency, (water breaks, fire, dead smell so on) So even if you change the locks you have to give them a key. But normally you are forbidden to change the locks. Contacting them will get you another key, they have numbers on the keys and the numbers are reguestered and only fit that place, that door. In other words contact the landlord and inform them of your lost key. Only option

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Well I think we have all told him that already.

What most have failed to realise, is that you cannot take the lock out of the door without heavy damage to the door. You need the key to turn the lock 30 degrees and align the spigot to the hole.

Look at the second and third pictures, the black item has to be rotated to the straight down position, before the lock can be withdrawn,

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=kaba+l...9,r:0,s:0,i:73

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Or you need to pick, bump, or drill it.

When my MIL died last year, we didn't have all the keys, but we had all the locks replaced by a locksmith, and yes, he drilled some, took only a few minutes each, all of which were KABAs.

There was NO damage to the doors.

Tom

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Hello,

If a concierge or landlord or anyone in the building has a "master key" or a copy of the key of your apartment you can legally ask either that he provides you ALL the keys that give access to your apartment or in the event of a master key that he changes the lock and supply the keys to that lock only to you, at his expense.

So if your key opens the main entrance too, you will keep that one and get an additional one that gives you access to your apartment.

It doesn't matter about fire hazard or anything, Firemans know how to break doors in 5 secs and that door will be covered by your ECA Fire insurance, which is mandatory at least in Vaud.

Legally, nobody can access your apartment without your consent, if you pay your rent that is.

If someone accesses it without your consent, file a complaint to the police and they can end up to 3 years in jail (on the text, but in reality most situations where this has occurred the landlords ended up having to do public service time not jail.)

UNLESS there is an immediate danger for other occupants in the building, or heavy work required to repair any health/safety issues (molding or water leaking into other apartments for example).

Also, when you are about to leave the apartment you have to allow for a reasonable amount of visits from the regie/landlord sent candidates.

Imagine, if the landlord or a concierge was allowed to keep a key copy, what is stopping me from saying they entered my apartment while I was at work and stole the 5000 chf or whatever hidden under my bed?..

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Bumping this for a lock related question.

The front door's lock is having some problems (possibly due to the warm temperature- but one that prevents me from locking the door properly), so I was thinking of getting a locksmith to look at it. Also, as there was a burglary in the building, attaching some burglar deterrent (around CHF 200, I think) as well. I will be asking my landlord's permission beforehand- but could someone confirm whether it is I who should pay the expenses?

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Put a bit of oil in it first

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Actually, that was the first thing I did. This only seems to have made it worse.

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What oil did you use exactly?

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