CV for an Apprenticeship

Family, Education, Health and Pets
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I am starting to inform myself on the steps, requirements towards supporting my daughter to obtaining an apprenticeship.

On 2 websites, both websites are recommended by BIZ, the format for the CV, requires that the jobs/profession of the parents are provided.

Can someone please explain to me why this is necessary? How does this pertain to my child performance or ability to succeed?

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It's very old fashioned, a bit annoying and feels intrusive.. but it's perfectly normal. I remember putting the same info on our lad's CV for his Lehrstelle applications.

Of course you don't have to .. but then it might look 'odd' and raise 'concerns'.

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Maybe it’s a Swiss Gernan thing because it definitely wasn’t the case her when my son was applying.

Neither the CV writing course he attended at school nor the online resources he used mentioned putting the jobs of the parents on the CV. He didn’t and it didn’t do him any harm, although the trials he had as a results of the applications convinced him to take a different career path.

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The only valid reason I can think if is that the employer sees, wether the parents could help the child with job related problems at school (or work).

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I don't think that a valid reason. Which career would not allow you to help your child. Besides, there is the lehrelingsamt for real problems.

Yes. I do agree, so very old fashioned, sometimes I really wonder if I am in the centre of Europe.

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Why is it a problem?

Tom

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Ditto here! I actually teach CV writing courses in public school, and I accompanied several dozens teenagers towards getting an apprenticeship, and the parents’ jobs were never ever mentioned on a CV.

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Depends on your knowledge about chemistry, but most of my lab technicians parents surely have trouble after the second or third semester. That could happen easily in other Stem related apprenticeships, too. Don't underestimate the stuff the kids have to learn in some of the more difficult ones.

Yes the Lehrlingsamt helps with real problems, but wont tutor your kid in organic chemistry

I agree with other poster though, if you feel uncomfortable just skip it, there will be no harm done.

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One day a fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.. All the typical answers came up -- fireman, mechanic, businessman, salesman, doctor, lawyer, and so forth.

However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet, so when the teacher prodded him about his father, he finally replied,' Okay...my father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men and they put money in his underwear.

Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go home with some guy and stay with him all night for money.'

The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some exercises and then took little Justin aside to ask him, 'Is that really true about your father?'

'No', the boy said, 'He actually works for the Democratic National Committee and helped get Barack Obama elected President last year, but I was too embarrassed to say that in front of the class.'

Tom

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FTFY. Far more appropriate.

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Because unlike the US, social mobility is seen as positive in Switzerland and no child should be hindered because of any bias that might be perceived out of their parents' occupation.

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Pather, I totaly agree- it is intrusive and totally irrelevant, and smacks of selection for the wrong reasons. It may however also be 'reversed', eg positive discrimination- but I somehow doubt it.

I would aks the school's career officer in charge, personally.

Howver, the reality out there for apprenticeships in CH, is personal contact, friends of the family, the party, the brassband, ski club, neighbour, shooting club, Church, etc, etc- and those are not easy to compete with for newcomers.

I think of the local kids around me- all got their apprenticeships through personal contact.

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Well said!

I have spoken to the teacher about it, we had the Info evening at BIZ with him, he of course, shrugged his shoulders, thats the way things are done here.

Sometimes I really wonder, why people find it so difficult to make a change, stand up for what you think is wrong and maybe you can make a difference. My friends daughter, who was a really good Sec A student had to complete the 10th year of school because she couldnt find an Aprrenticeship. I always wondered why it was so difficult for her.

Who knows, maybe they thought that because her mother is a cleaner and her father works in construction, they cant help her with the KV!

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Maybe living in a very small place is a factor there? Locally to me (town of about 11,000) I really couldn't say that at all.

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Why wouldn't she have to finish the 9th year if she found an apprenticeship?

And A is the highest Sec degree in your canton? Asking because in some it's the lowest

If this was pointed at me: You asked for an explanation and I tried to give you one

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Yes, you are right, its the 10th school year, my mistake.

And I am very grateful that you tried, this is a forum after all. Where explainations are dissected, argued upon and even sometimes, though this maybe rare, agreed upon!

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I think that info should not belong in a apprenticeship CV and it should be publicly discussed why it is still "requested". As I am not affected by this so i have nor real incentive to change that. But I think a good approach could be through the press BaZ, Tagi, Bund, etc. depending on your neck of the wood.

Why would you think that this person would tell anything different then what is listed here: https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/38701

And yes, the German and the French CV templates a different.

Don't you mean 10th year? Edit: See answer above

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The Italian one is similar to the French one, i.e. they don't ask for the parents' info.

Must be a German thing.

Still fail to understand the problem, however.

Tom

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In which cantons is Sek A the lowest tier.

Oh, Basel Land, Has A, E, and P.

https://www.baselland.ch/politik-und...ekundarstufe-i

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Maybe I'm just an adapted swiss who likes to keep status quo, but I fail to see the big problem.

Let me first say I have no business in recruiting for apprenticeships, I just have to deal with the results (Which is a pleasure in my case)

I just cant imagine a recruiter saying: "Oh this would be the perfect candidate for our electrician apprenticeship, too bad his mother is a nurse I'll have to choose another one.

There's a huge demand for good Sek graduates, if you find one you really don't care about his or her parents job, don't you? So much about negative discrimination.

As I wrote above, positive discrimination could happen.

If I am recruiting for a small KMU with a limited choice of candidates, all with mediocre results in evaluation exams, I would take the one who I think knows already a bit about the job and/or has support at home.

Let's imagine that it's forbidden to mention the parent's profession in CV.

If I applied for an apprenticeship as a mechanic one of my first sentences in my covering letter would mention that my father owns a garage and I'm planning to take it over sometimes.