Divorce - Loss of B / Permit / Contact with Son

I'm a UK national with a B permit via marriage to a Swiss German C permit holder with an 18 month old child.

I have held the B permit for 16 months.

If we were to divorce how would that affect my ability to visit my son from the UK.

I fear I would lose my B Permit and then becaome victim of th 90 day shengen rule.

Meaning for 90 days I could travel to Switzerland and then I would have to stay out of the shengen for the for the next 90 days.

I'm so afraid that I could lose continuity of contact with my son.

Can anyone help me with this . Would it be possible to to visit for 8 days each month

A “Swiss German” cannot be a C permit holder. Are they Swiss or German??

First you need to find out if your B permit is dependent on your marriage or not and then also decide if you want to stay in Switzerland.

Are you living in London now or Switzerland. Regardless of divorce, if you are not living in Switzerland you are not entitled to that B permit.

Yes you'd be limited to 90 days in 180. but that doesn't mean 90 days in and 90 out, you could spend every other week here throughout the year (for example).

You might find parts of the info on this recent thread helpful:

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...h-breakup.html

My partner has a German passport .she has been living

In Switzerland for 40 years and has a C permit.

We were married in Switzerland and I was issued

a B permit. So I guess if we were to divorce now after 16 months I would lose my B permit and would have to return to the UK.

Possibly not, if you have a job and it was issued before Brexit. Not sure.

" Third-country citizens
You can have your permission to stay extended if

you have been married for at least three years and have lived in the same household with your spouse (Swiss or foreign national),

you are well integrated in Switzerland (impeccable reputation, good oral language skills, willingness to work or pursue education or training), or

you need to stay in Switzerland for important personal reasons (e.g. social reintegration in the country of origin is seriously compromised, domestic violence)."

https://www.ch.ch/en/documents-and-r…n-switzerland/

As said the 90 days doesn’t mean it has to be consecutive. You can mix and match as needed.

Assuming you did divorce and move back to the UK here’s some info and a calculator for working out how many days you’ve been in Switzerland.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home…ttstaaten.html

Do you have a job or are you a stay at home dad?

Sadly I gave up my career , followed Heidi

To Switzerland. I have no job , no German or Swiss

German language skills.

If you have really left yourself so vulnerable by making no real effort to have any independence then yeah, it's not going to be fun for you when you divorce.

Would you not be able to get a job here? Do you have money or assets of your own?

Well, if you’re the primary carer of your son you might stand a chance of getting a permit to stay here if you do divorce. No guarantee though, it’s very much decided on case to case basis.

If you return to the UK you will be able to visit the Schengen area (including Switzerland) for not more than 90 days in any 180-day period.

8 days a month is about 48 days in 180. So yes that’s fine!

Hey Chuf Im in the same situation and am a stay at home dad... Although not married. My now ex partner just wants to throw me out to separate me from the child out of spite. Even-though I was his primary care giver for 3 years. I cook, shop , clean ,entertain and educate him, take him and pick him up from day care and still... She just wants him to grow up fatherless like her Is my assumption or file for state assistance as a single mother and I am in the way of that. What are your thoughts on my chances? I plan to hire an attorney since its pretty detrimental to the child to separate him from the main person who raised him until now.

You need to work through on three layers:

- is the relationship repairable/solvable so that ultimately you can stay together ?

- if not, get all the legal and personal advice you can before you decide what to do

- separate your living arrangements (income, job/career) as a 'spouse' from your responsbility as a parent - how will you live when you separate ? What is your plan for being independent financially for the short, medium and long-term ?

- then think about the actual custody arrangements for your child - there is a difference between 'custody' and 'access' - and the law in Switzerland is assumed 50/50 care of the child - so even if you are the 'full time parent' - your spouse/ex will also need to think about whether they are prepared to be the full-time parent.... and that includes covering all holidays when the child is at school etc etc - again, short, medium and long-term.

In direct answer to Daddyzaky, if you have indeed been the 'primary carer' for the child and your partner has been earning enough income to support you both and to pay for childcare as well - then here is where having a child out of marriage makes it more complex. Did you sign papers at birth declaring yourself the father of the child ? Why did you not marry ? You certainly need legal advice to work out what your obligations/responsiblities are, if you are both in Switzerland, and plan to stay in Switzerland, and under Swiss law - and how you can support yourself independently to stay as close as possible to the child. Also, refusing to move out/separate until you have a legal agreement in place for shared custody would be essential I think...

There is another dimension for foreigners in Switzerland of what other passport/s are held - some countries will not allow removal of the child from Switzerland (Hague convention signatories) and some will - you need to protect your rights to prevent your spouse from removing the child from Switzerland, if that is a risk.

I have a friend who as stay at home dad got custody when they divorced and he was un-employed.

Tom

Its a mad crazy situation

I spent 5 years going to IVF clinics in a dream to have a child together.

Ultimately she was declared to be infertile.

So we took my sperm and a czech womens egg and created an embroyo which was implanted into my now wife.

So the baby was born and on the birth certficate is shown my wife as my boys mother.

Then we had to get married quickly because brexit was a few months away so we got married so that we could stay in Swizterland to raise the child.

She wanted to raise the baby in a swiss german fashion within her family which

I wasnt attracted too and it just doesn't feel right. I began to feel like I had been used as a sperm donor.

And now after giving up my career in london and 6 years of unemployment I feel

like a burnt toast

So yes I am the boys Biological father , My wife is his Non bilogical mother and I risk being kicked out of the equation

Thank you for the thorough reply. Relationship is pretty much dead with no chance to be repaired. It's a deep rooted hate on her end unfortunately . As for expenses Etc I have never asked or needed a dime from her. Been living here on my own resources (savings) and spending it all on the child and the household while she had the luxury to work and progress in her career as well as save money till she now feels I'm less useful and decided to get rid of me and keep the kid. Its hard out there these days!

That’s harsh! Look into peoples recommendations through the links and consult with a lawyer to get an idea of possibilities available.