Do you depend on US Internet Services?

The article below mentions the US switching off email access:

While I don’t anticipate being sanctioned by the US, it did make me think that most of my services depend on US providers:

  • Email is provided by Google GMail
  • DNS services ultimately depend on the US or US controlled entitites
  • Even this forum hosting, while located in Switzerland is ultimately owned by an American company
  • Then there are consumer facing products such as: Google Search, ChatGPT, YouTube, Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram.
  • Even hardware such as the iPhone is made by a US company even if it is largely subcontracted out to China.

Well perhaps this forum should be moved to Switzerland. I’d be willing to share in any cost.

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I could switch most user accounts to proton mail. Anyway, there’s people in deeper s**t than individuals:

16.06.2025 - The Lucerne Governing Council fired the cantonal IT security manager – due to his criticism of the introduction of the Microsoft cloud. It is also sizzling in other cantons and towns because of Microsoft.

Switzerland is hanging on the drip of Microsoft. Although exact figures are missing, the public sector alone buys 98 percent of the US IT giant, according to the administrative digitization expert Matthias Stürmer, according to the administrative digitization expert Matthias Stürmer.

Even though SVP Federal Councillor Guy Parmelin shook hands with senior Microsoft managers a few weeks ago : The strong dependence on American big tech companies is gradually causing concern in federal federal because of the erratic US president. And leads to a rethinking.

Women parliamentarians, for example, are calling for European alternatives to store citizen data. And the Federal Chancellery is trying to break away, at least in part, from the Microsoft grip.

But the opposite is still happening in many places in the cantons. Many cantonal governments deepen cooperation and want to store particularly sensitive data on Microsoft servers in the future. Or they are pushing the migration to the US company’s clouds as if geopolitical risks had never been heard before.

Full article here:

I can’t name names, but short the European companies that rely on Microsoft Cloud to operate :slight_smile:

It’s probable that nothing happens at all, US gov cannot risk to erode the trust in US IT. It’s a mistake that can be done only once.

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The forum is already hosted on servers physically located in Switzerland.

According to the domain info, it appears that Cloudflare is at play

Domain Information

Name: swissforum.co.uk Registry Domain ID: N/A Domain Status:

Nameservers:

Dates:

  • Expiration:co.uk” is not a DNR supported domain suffix
  • Created: N/A

hmmmm …
I’m with hostpoint (Swiss) since 2000, that includes email. Thrown off google everywhere years ago and don’t use it to search either, Don’t care for ChatGPT really, youtube would be a pity (I use it for diy-advise without logging in) but isn’t there competition already? Facebook? LOL. WhatsApp - you mean Trump will get my environment to finally switch to Signal? Great news. Instagram - not on it.
Using Samsung handy - will South Korea go along with Trump?
One of my two computers is already on Linux (would that be considered Finnish?) easy to change the laptop to it too (actually long planned, I’m just too lazy). And even under win11 I use OpenOffice, Thunderbird, Firefox (how American are they? Enough to surrender to Trump?) for as far back as I remember. Anyway, with hostpoint I could access my emails via browser (there’s gotta be some European browser out there, right? Vivaldi, Mullvad … never heard of them, might wanna check them out).

So all in all the shock would not be heart-threatening to me it seems.

swissforum I would miss. Who will read all the news and provide me with links?

Consequently, MS itself is very concerned.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/page/microsoft-wants-to-ally-itself-with-europe-whats-behind-the-billion-dollar-investment-37775

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Exactly, if Prez Trump does something idiotic, MS don’t want to be caught in the storm. Keep customers happy, keep revenue coming…

You reminded me that there are also these utility/intermediary services as well:

  • Domain registrars
  • Nameservers
  • Proxies
  • VPNs
  • Caches, CDNs
  • And the host of cloud services: S3, EWS, etc. etc.

That is part of why we use gmx and proton.

So we can say

The party was a bomb last night

or

My new pressure cooker is the greatest

without triggering any alarms?

you’ll find out in a minute or two :rofl:

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That is why the EU Commission was given the ACI by the Council. And if they every decide to activate it, it will be an absolute blood bath for US tech. And set tech in general back at least a decade.

There was a big push 20-25 years ago for the public sector to switch to open source software, but apparently initial successes didn’t last. I see no reason to think that a renewed push now will result in a significantly different outcome.

Is there a reason why we still use UK domain?

It’s cheaper than .ch and swissforum.ch is already taken.

IIRC one of the old EF crowd had obtained that and offered it to anyone that was setting up an EF replacement. It doesn’t appear to be in use.

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Rule #1. Never, ever, touch a working system.

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