Dogs walking freely (with owners). Are they safe for kids?

Really? Please explain, I would say the opposite, on all the smoking threads I try to quell the irrational fear people have of passive smoke for no reason. So how does that make me irrational?

You imply all dogs are child killers.

"Something would at last be done........protected from canine teeth".

Do you know the facts of that sad incident?

Because of one incident, involving an Italian who had brought in several pittbulls a matter of days before, who had kept them in cages, who had never had other human interaction, who had even attacked each other in their tiny cage pits, got loose? The guy was an absolute idiot, and disgrace of a human. The dogs had known no other life. I feel for the boy and his family, but I also feel for the dogs who know no better.

But so now all dogs are child killers?

Are all cars child killers too? I saw one of them crush a child and spread its guts all over the road? When are we going to get rid of them?

I have lost several friends to cars and bikes. I don't want them near me either. But I see them everyday and quite obviously do not want them banned and everyone elses life affected because I don't like them or because one of them killed someone once.

We were actually talking about dogs, of which I'm frightened, which is the main point, (in your words irrationally) not cars. I'm not frightened when I see a car on the road or hear one horn. Nor am I frightened of snakes, spiders, mice and so on. Nor was/am I implying that all dogs are killers. I was saying how we all decided that something should be done about those thousands of dog bites reported each year and nothing was done after Oberglatt - except for chipping. But just for the sake of saying it a 14 year-old-girl was bitten to death in England two days ago.

Try telling Roy Castle that a fear of passive smoking is irrational

Let me light one up and enjoy the bantering here.

Dogs can kill, sure. But not all dogs running free are mad dogs.

Smoking and passive smoke can impact our health. Just stay downwind and all is good.

I don't think banning anything is the right way to treat adults and mature people.

So until people can be adults and mature, bans are still the tool of the society.

Yes and I used your logic of one very particular incident with many extreme contributing factors to display why it is flawed. Because I did see a child get crushed by a car, and yet all cars are not child killers, but they have the potential to be, not just children either, adults too. Can't say the same for dogs. Hence, your comment was irrational.

Yes, another sad story regarding the 14 year old girl, and also the poor dogs who were again abused by evil humans. But for the sake of saying it, 30 children under 10 died in a coach crash the other day, and I still saw 3 coaches on the road today, it's disgusting they're allowed to still be on the road.

Yes the one and only case diagnosed by Roy himself. Well, I am bit skeptical. Merely as my friend, Michael Jackson, not connected to the singer, died aged 26 of the same illness. Never smoked nor worked in jazz clubs.

The science has already proven passive smoke scare mongering is all lies and statistics. But this has been discussed in depth, at least 10 times on this thread in my existence here. If you want to educate yourself, go read them. This is about dogs.

Take a look at the statistics of dog bites in CH which are available - in a surprisingly somewhat meagre form I admit - but we are talking about thousands of reported incidences each year. And these are the ones which are reported. The available figures do nothing else for me other than show that my irrational fear of dogs has a good fundament.

The figures of road accidents don't frighten me irrationally.

This may be true, but for me, walking 3 dogs on a leash, any dog not on a leash could be trouble, and I speak from personal experience here. Years ago we were chased by a dog off lead. The owner called him back but there was no hope. I protected my dogs and I was the one who was injured.

Just because I am a dog owner does not mean I am unable to understand what it means to be afraid of dogs. There was a black labrador, not on a leash, who was along my school route and that dog was anything but friendly. I was relieved when the family moved.

But the incident that I have never forgotten, and at the time was too young to understand what the dog was doing, took place near my home one afternoon. We heard screaming, and my mother opened the front door and not far from the house on the sidewalk was a dog, a huge brown dog, on top of a young boy. My mother grabbed a broom or shovel, I don't recall which, and ran across the road. I think she would have killed the dog if she had to to get him off the boy.

I imagine that boy could very well be scarred for life.

Yesterday I was walking our dogs (always on a leash) and a neighbour with 3 kids was also walking near me. One of her children was just terrified, I am guessing he is about 4 years old. The younger ones (twins) weren't bothered. But the boy was screaming and he was only making matters worse by frightening the dogs. I crossed the road, and he was still carrying on.

I asked the mom if anything ever happened to him involving a dog and she said no. She said she has no idea what's up with him. I told her that if she thought it would help, at some other time, if she likes, I was happy to come by with one dog alone, she's the dog who loves being stroked, and is 100 % trustworthy with kids.

The dogs were on a leash, under my control. There was nothing for him to be afraid of.

I agree; I hate those parent who do not.keep.their kids in control... Especially the ones who run up to my dog & start stroking without asking; luckily nobody lost a hand so far.

A lot of kids want to stoke the dogs. Most ask first, and they know how as we have a program in the schools. The kids with the parents are usually not a problem either. We have dogs that will tolerate a child running up behind the, and stroking them, but this is not something many dogs will tolerate and so I discourage this and explain to the child how they should approach a dog.

If a child is ahead of the parent, and I see this often with a parent pushing a stroller and a toddler on something with wheels, the parent may not be quick enough to stop the toddler approaching a dog.

The Tagesmutter in my neighbourhood is doing a brilliant job teaching the children in her care about respect for dogs. I think she has 5 kids she walks with, 2 in a stroller, 3 walking. Not one is out of line and would dare approach without asking first.

I love dogs, and our dog is a wonderful and valued member of our family, but at the end of the day he is still just a dog with all of the instincts that come with being a dog. if your dog is anything other than quite small and you are in an area where other people may be (especially children), you should keep it on a leash unless you are 110% confident in your dog and are willing to face the consequences if your confidence turns out to have been ill-placed. it is not a 5 year old child's responsibility to know how to act in the face of a 100 pound dog out on the walkway, after all, it is the dog owner's responsibility to control his or her animal.

Jbz, have just returned from another jaunt up there and checked, it's still there, tied to a branch with cack in (well, I'm pretty sure it's not a deposit left by the Osterhase....)

Also, on way down on forest track came across a girl (20s, who smiled ever so sweetly) & her parents, w/ a freerunning dog -I say 'freerunning' but s/he was a gentle old lassie. Nevertheless, the da put her on the lead as I was approaching. I slowed right down, 'danke vielmals & frohe ostertage' exchanged. warmed me heart & had to report it here

happy season of eastern promise to one & all

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Dogs generally are NOT a danger to kids. Rather the other way round. I had the habit up from about 3, to approach dogs also if they were much taller than me, and never had a problem.

But Grandmum, already when I was about 4, told me

A) not to confront a dog straight from the front

B) or with a stretched out hand

C) to slowly approach him from "side-forward" while speaking with him

D) and to retreat if the dog rejects

E) allow the dog to "sniff" you. It is his way to check you up

usually however, dogs are eager to make contact with me, so that I just have to place me, by accident, beside them.

F) you however have to respect that dogs have their private personality and are not all the same, even those who "look" the same

Reminds me of the Grandmum of a schoolfriend who after the sudden death of her previous dog went to a dogshome to get a new one. While she was looking round, a small black poodle followed her permanently. She enquired. "Well, he is a very nice small poodle, but not an urgent case, but if you want we can check up" and in the end "Nano" WAS her new dog

HE had chosen his new owner. He, after her death, lived with one of her daughters and became 17 years and 6 months old. Everything was right with him, but than within two weeks everything got into trouble. The woman stayed with him until he had passed out and kept him in her arms until it was over

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It not only is your responsibility but it is also to protect your dog against the unpredictabilities of those human beings

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I fear you ask for too much. Many of those parents have not the slighest idea about how to deal with any kind of animals, be they dogs or cows or donkeys

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It was nothing to do with passive smoking but your view that if you give up by a certain age, smoking will have done you no harm.

That's rubbish - it will have and your irrational view that you can give up when you want is also bizarre. Most smokers don't want to smoke. Most find it really difficult to give up.

Anyway, back to dogs....

Yeah right -how many dogs get mauled by kids?

Kids can be a real nuisance around dogs yes, but a danger? I don't think so.

That depends somewhat upon interpretation though, no? A kid who behaves maliciously towards a dog - hanging on the fence, throwing rocks, poking with a stick, all to provoke... is that not a "danger" to the dog? Sure it may not actually hurt the dog in the moment, but if it provokes the dog to bite the kid, the dog stands a good chance of paying the ultimate price.

This is why it is vital not only for dog owners to train and socialize their dogs properly, but for humans to behave properly themselves and teach their children to do so as well.

Correct to some extent. But the real number of kids "mauled" by dogs is almost irrelevant, even if such incidents get reported in the media extensively. The number of kids who throw stones at dogs hopefully has receded over the decades but in the 1950ies and 60ies WAS a real problem.

Rather a problem is the sharp teeths of dogs. But in reality, looking back, we had dogs all around relatives and acquaintances and nobody was ever really bitten. So that even dog-bites are very rare indeed.

I did not ever have any schoolfriend or adult friend or colleague who was bitten by a dog, but a schoolfriend who died as a consequence of having been run over by a truck

Dog "snappings" even if relatively harmless force people to the doctor and so GET reported. No, your fear of dogs has no fundament. As most of these incidents are simply accidents. And the "wounds" generally can be cured by a bit of Merfen. The medical problem is that a dog sniffs at and even eats things which can be a source of serious infections for human beings, but are no problem for the dog.

The figures of road accidents however are seriously frightening. And the death quota of road accidents is terrible. And this particularily if you look at the figures in regard to people of below 20 years of age.

And without dogs how would we ever know about the dangers of passive smoking?

Cheers,

Nick