Europe vs USA. Where is better?

Hi guys! Such an interesting forum here. Thank you so much for that. Now I want to ask for your opinion about live in Europe and Switzerland. Specially if you are Americans or lived long time in the USA and moved to Europe. I just want to compare where is better life quality and what is the difference. It's very interesting because people here in the USA and in Europe have different opinions. I'm eastern European, but I have been living in USA for a long time. Some day I want to move back to Europe, because all my friends and family still over there. What should I expect there in Europe? What is deferents between this two parts of the world? Is it really true that there is more opportunities in the USA than in Europe? What about other thinks? Did anyone has this experience who moved from USA to Europe. What do you think about life in Europe compare the USA?

I think it depends on what your objectives are. Europe is a great place to get old. USA is still more dynamic. It could just be a matter of taste. I'm between young and old, so I tend to waffle between the two.

Sorry, but your question is for the birds.

Tell us what kind of lifestyle you have; what are your free time activities; city/state in which you reside; where would you like to reside in Europe (remember this is a Swiss forum); what is your profession; immediate family or not; etc. etc. etc.

Because, just like everybody has an asshole... they have their own opinions. You are asking quite a broad question and (from the looks of it) are looking for a precise (motivating) answer. Don't be surprised if the answers are from one end of the spectrum to the other!

Personally, for me, I love it here. You (or anyone else) could not pay me enough to relocate back to the states! FYI, I am American. Moved to Europe in 1984 at 21 years old. Moved to Switzerland in 1993. Am self-employed and don't regret one ounce of it

Good luck getting your answers, I am anxious to read the results of your questions.

bests

Its difficult to generalize as it really depends on where you live in the US or in Europe. The US are of course more homogeneous than Europe, but still life in Southern California is not quite the same as in the Mid West and is quite different from Vermont or New Hampshire. In Europe the differences are even larger (just due to language and history) - some regions are probably not so different from the US (e.g., London and NYC are somewhat similar, the Netherlands and Scandinavia might also be a bit closer in terms of mentality), while others are very different (Germany, Italy, Spain for example).

Life in the US is definitely more convenient (if you can afford it) and the whole economy is more dynamic which translates into better or at least more job opportunities for highly qualified and ambitious individuals. In the long run I fear that Europe will lag behind the US in terms of economic development as its structures make it difficult to adapt to a changing environment.

On the flip side, the US has less social security (even skilled professionals ca lose their jobs and end up in bankruptcy quite quickly), generally more inequality in income and wealth and a much larger truly poor population than most European countries. This also translates into higher crime rates (on a bad weekend in Chicago more people get murdered than in a whole year in Switzerland - and Chicago is one of the safer cities). Also medical care is inferior on average.

I'm European and have lived in the US. Personally, I enjoyed it and would have stayed if immigrations laws wouldn't make life so miserable. Overall, I agree with Phos - when you're young, US is better, when you're old Europe.

Yes, I would like to here some personal opinion. What Americans think after they moved in Switzerland. Was it mistake or not? Did they lose anything?

I live in Minnesota, studding Finance here. It very boring life here for me. Not many beautiful girls here around, mostly fat. I'm not married, so I can relocate easily. Ideally I want to move to Zürich.

Man, you go to the wrong school. I did my MBA in the US and we had many beautiful girls around. Maybe Minnesota is not the place to be - go to Texas on the weekends

If you live in Minnesota I take back what I said previously (better in the US while you're young) - this is not the place for young people. Move to Chicago or NYC when you graduate and things will look very different.

I was into Studding too at one point, now I settled down and keep only one girl. She's not fat though, just like a big juicy American steak, I like to sink my teeth into something.

I would choose Switzerland over the USA and I'd choose the USA over the UK. But then again, my mood is like the wind.

I am American traveled back and forth to Switzerland for 7 years. I moved here last year to marry my partner as it was legalized here #1 reason I love it! I do not think I would have chose to be here as I was looking to move to the west coast SF in general. Anyhow love won the fight. I am here now 17 months and I will and would not want to move back to the U.S. The life here is so much more fullfilling, better transportation options, quality of life. I have since opened my own business after only 13 months being here now this is my home. I cannot say if I would want to live in other parts of Europe, but Basel, Switzerland is where I call home

If you want good looking women, Texas is definitely one of the best places.

I don't agree... with some logic. Granted, Texas has them corn-fed beauties. But from everywhere in the world... the cream of the crop flocks to California!

I have only been to the US the once - for three weeks visiting friends in the midwest, Arizona and Georgia. On the whole I found Americans to be genuinely warm, friendly and helpful.

On the flipside, I sensed a high degree of stress among many people I met; and the long-hours culture in the US that seems to create this would be something I would have a problem with. Hence I could not see myself living there.

However to try and categorise such a vast and varied country on such a basis would be ludicrous.

Cheers,

Nick

Alright... American here.

St. Paul-Minneapolis is cool. It's small, but I had fun there.

I use to travel back and forth for a while because I really liked it here, particularly Italy. When a window of opportunity opened, I jumped at the chance to move here.

The first 6 months was a blast. So many fantastic places to visit. But then the novelty wore off. The next 6 months was just normal. The 6 months after that was miserable. I just couldn't figure out what to do with myself and fell into a dark depression. After 6 months, I got fed up with the depression and decided to drop it. So I focused on maintaining my state and started to get my game on.

I find that I have to constantly maintain my energy level and enthusiasm. I never had to do this in the US. It always came naturally. There's a momentum of ennui here. So I have to regularly travel just to break out of the morass. Friends and a well paying job is essential here for staying afloat.

I'm here because of commitment and personal objectives. Those transcend my geographical location. So in a sense, it doesn't matter too great of a deal where I am.

The standard of living in Switzerland is tops. Things are well maintained and things run well. There aren't really any slums here. The crime rate is very low, and that is a luxury in itself.

So my biggest issue with living here is boredom. But I work on it. I find that I don't really miss the US, I miss people. That's easy to remedy with a quick trip, or through Skype. The last time I visited L.A., I felt somewhat alienated at first. Such a large urban sprawl. Being immersed in Switzerland, it reminded me of Sao Paolo. I was shocked to notice the Braziliafication of my home town.

It wasn't a mistake to move here. I'm quite glad I did. But I did lose a lot of contacts in the process. But I knew that from the beginning. But that's alright, I could get them back if I wanted. Knowing that I can go back when I want to gives me some peace of mind.

Oh, I didn't mention the culture shock. Well, this website is full of those stories.

It's easier to get things done in the US.

There are prettier things to see in Europe.

Oh we have a connoisseur here I see. You'll be able to appreciate all the exotic girls in switzerland for sure, but you'll find it hard to be flashy in Zurich, unless you get a job on bahnhofstrasse. And I don't mean a food stall.

What you have to look out for is the cost of living. Many a lad was lured here by the vision of $$$ only to discover that his money would afford him bragging rights at home, but he can't keep up with the joneses in zurich amidsts all the porsches and ferraris. Pulling in 150k a year will earn you a very nice living here as well, but don't expect to yourself to feel "rich".

As was pointed out, it very much depends on your lifestyle. A flashy lifestyle is expensive in the US, and it will be even more expensive here. A quiet lifestyle is cheap in the US, but it will still be comparatively expensive here. For all the expenses though, you'll get the possibility to go down for a swim in the beautiful see-through waters of the zurich lake at lunchtime, you generally won't have to wear your wallet on a kevlar rope and your house won't be put up for general take-what-you-can on craigslist if you forget to lock your front door.

Disagree and agree.

If you adapt yourself, your lifestyle, your self-sufficiency, your communications.... then getting things done here is just as stateside... if not easier!

OK, we don't have the 24/7 huge grocery stores with a staff of 200 at any time of day... But, we do have some early and late shopping opportunities now and some are even open on Sundays Even though I have never used one late evenings or Sundays.

Agree with you, that there are plenty of things to do and see here. Public transportation takes you just about anywhere and the events are plentiful.

I cannot comment about Europe in general, I have only lived in Switzerland in Europe. I lived in US for 18 years and moved to Geneva about a year back. The social Security in US is not great, but if one is a professional and invested in good retirement plans through your employer or personally, retirement would not be bad in US. Everday living, it depends on your own personality, if you like to shop, enjoy malls, arcades, night life, drive thrus, fast foods, delis, dunkin donuts, enjoy shopping in stores like Marshalls, and TJ maxx, then Switzerland is boring for you, but if you enjoy hiking, mountains, travelling to Italy and France, probably Switzerland is better. It depends on each individual, I personally am having a hard time adjusting after living in Miami and new york city, but there are many Americans who love it here. Living here in Geneva is expensive compared to US, but then again, I might get used to it, in a couple of years.

Currently I wouldn't choose either one of them if I were to make my choice again. Just try to explore other continents Africa: i.e. South Africa (not Zimbabwe though), Oz, Kiwi... Sorry it might not answer your question

While living here, I received a statement from the US-Social Security. Basically, it showed my input into the system during the years I lived and worked in the US and military. Also it clearly showed the years that I had not made any deposits into the system (since 1993).

The included text stated that if Americans didn't deposit the required funds into the Social Security... it would be empty by the year 2013.

I wish I had kept that letter, would be a hit here on EF.

So... you are better off in Switzerland when it comes to retirement, as long as you put a little aside on your own!

I am German, moved to Texas in 1999 when I was 30, my Austrian fiancee followed, we got married, had 2 kids.

In 2008 we moved to Switzerland because of a job offer. We hate it due to many reasons and want nothing more than to get the heck out of here and back to the States.

Details upon request ...