experiences or recommendations of Swiss public schools in Vaud

Hello all

It looks as though we will be making the big move to CH this summer. I know there are many things to be sorted especially schools and housing.

I have read many posts about the difficulties of find a home, the the thing that concerns me is choosing the right school for my 8 year old son and 7 year old daughter.

In braver moments I favour the local systems. Does anyone have personal experiences of local schools or know of schools that have had experience of taking on English speaking & non-French speaking children.

My husband's company has not confirmed location of their Swiss office although we know it will be somewhere between Lausanne and Geneva! Although rumour has it it may be in Nyon.

Any feeback will be much appreciated.

A x

All of them in this area - I don't know one single school around here without non-French speakers. The whole place is crawling with incomers, who have largely all integrated well into school (most of the hardships you read about onsite seem to be based in the Swiss German side, where there are some cultural differences).

I put my 8 yr old into the system here in Vaud 2 years ago, followed by his 4 yr old sister a few months later, and both have had nothing but positive experiences; I've written a ton about this if you search on my user name and 'school' (the search button is in the blue bar up to your right).

Good luck with your move.

kodokan

My daughter just started in the public school system and although it is quite strict it seems to be going well. You should do a google search for 'Vaud public schools' as the gov't seem to be making a push to have ex pats use the public schools instead of private schools. They seem to be offering a programme of support, extra french courses etc. for kids in the first year to help them integrate.Bonne chance!

Yes, this seems very well funded. My son's had two full years so far of extra French (3-4 times a week in a small group, 45 mins a time, scheduled as part of his timetable whilst the others do craft or some such). Even my daughter has been having extra French once a week, in enfantine, which is not something the school is obliged to provide (and often depends if there are enough kids to make up a little group).

My son was also exempt from being officially graded in French for the first two years - this has just expired, but he's actually been taking all the same tests as the rest of his class for 6-9 months, and passing them all. Which isn't because he's a super brilliant linguist (the exact opposite, in fact) but because primary is really quite easy. I've warned him that 5th grade will be a shocker...

kodokan

Many thanks for the replies so far. I have done quite a bit of searching on this site and in fact a lot of the info on here is what has persuaded me to consider the Swiss public schools. Initially I had thought the only option would have been to use the International schools. However, since my children have been very happy in our local state school here in the UK it does feel more natural to do that in CH rather than jump into the private system.

Is it true that all the schools are really the same? Coming from the UK (especially the South East) it is hard not to be thinking about league tables, SATs, catchment areas etc IYKWIM. That is why I asked if anyone had experiences with particular schools. It would be comforting to know that my kids wouldn't be the first ( or only) native English speakers in the school and that the extra French catch up lessons were an established thing. Is this more likely to be the case if we choose to live away from the International schools?

Many thanks and I will keep searching this site and the internet for more information.

A x

i second the endorsement for public schools, especially if you plan on being here for more than 2 years. we are in lausanne and our 9 year old started here in october. because lausanne is a bit bigger there's more of an immigrant population (but as kodokan says- i can't think of anyplace in the area where your child would be the only one!) they have started a "bien venue" class with only new arrivals. in the few months he's been here he's doing amazing in french- and he'll have no problem starting the new year quite close to other kids his age.

my advice would just be to keep in touch with the teacher and discuss any issues you may have. in terms of what schools to look at, i would concentrate on finding housing first and then deal with the schools. as both a mother and a teacher i can say that the most important thing is that you are supportive and on top of their school work and supplementing as much as you can in english at home- very quickly they will transfer everything that they have learned in english to french so the more you give your kids (regardless of what language it's in) the better of they are.

best of luck!

I know, I know - I'm from the UK, and it's very hard to let go of the over-analysing! I think here it's not so much about the school as about the individual teacher - they have a lot more autonomy here. There are of course goals for the end of each two-year cycle, but it's really up to teachers how they are going to hit them. No 'it's Term Two, Week 4 so now we're all studying the lifecycle of the earthworm' here!

All the schools along the Lake Strip between Geneva and Lausanne will be set up for non-French speakers. If you want to be rock solid sure, don't go too far inland - the villages nearest the lake are naturally the most expensive so have a higher proportion of incoming expats/local hires, who usually hold quite senior jobs and command higher salaries than the local average.

What we did was choose a house, then popped in to see the school the next morning before signing the contract. (The school was slightly puzzled by this, but welcoming in a 'sweet nutter foreigners' sort of way - it's unusual here to do viewings as of course you HAVE to go to 'that' school, so they think what's the point..?). You almost certainly won't meet the individual teachers, though, and have to take a sort of 'ommmm...' Zen approach.

For me, it's worked out fine. My kids have so far had 5 teachers between them, with year changes and job sharing, and they have ALL been fantastic - friendly, professional, enthusiastic about having my kids in their classes (native English speakers are also very popular with other parents, who want their kids to 'catch' English). My son's first teacher emailed me before the move and met us in school during the Easter holidays , so he could get to know her, see the classroom and feel at ease on the first day of term. His current teacher has done things like given him a science test in French, but allowed him to write his answers in English (because it's a science test, not a language test) as she's a fluent English speaker.

My experience is that the teachers make accommodations, are fluid, are receptive to these incomers. It's really, really an everyday thing here. I too found this notion difficult to grasp before we moved out, as we were moving from rural Somerset where almost no-one is foreign and it's almost impossible to imagine how the school would cope.

Give it a try! The kids will be a matter of minutes from school, will have local friends, will feel part of their neighbourhood for celebrations rather than seeing it as a sort of dormitory. Worst case, it won't work, and they can move with a sigh of relief into international schooling (obviously don't tell them that bit ). But it's MUCH harder to do it the other way round.

Give us a shout once you know your area, and we'll see if we have any more local knowledge between us.

kodokan

Thank you so much for all the useful tips and I will certainly be back in touch when I know more about the area we will be going to. We hope to make a quick trip out there in the next couple of weeks (without the kids) to just get a feel of the place and the different towns.

A x

Just bear in mind, once you move here and have a permanent address, you can't "choose" which public school your kids attend. If you are in the catchment area for a school in your commune, they will go to that school, no exceptions.

Hi

I had noticed that there is no choice in the public school, in that you just go to the one they allocate to you (which I understand is usually the closest one) But once we find somewhere to live is it possible to confirm which school the kids will go to before we actually sign the contract. And also can we go and see it just to make sure this is the right decision for our family?

I guess this is the kind of thing the relocation agents help deal with but I am hesitant about losing too much control with regard to schooling. They can have a free reign with the boring visas, insurances etc. ( or at least my husband can be interested in that side of things)

Cheers

A x

Thats not very true. Though they prefer to send the child to the nearest possible local school, they do make quite a few exceptions.If you write them a letter before the decision has been taken about the school (generally march), they may consider putting your child to your selected local school, provided it is within 15-20 min walking distance from your residence and is in the same commune, so that the child can go home and come back during lunch break. If you go with their choice of school in Vaud, you can't change it for two years (class 1 and 2 together, 3 and 4 together..likewise) unless you are changing residence.

You can ask the school secretary/administration of the area you will be staying where your kids will attend the school, but I doubt you can actually visit the school without teacher getting notified about the new students coming to the school.

Just for additional info-if you both are working and your kids will be going to APEMS after school, you can write a letter to the school secretary and your kids will be put in the local school having the facility.

Yes you can, we did, as I mentioned above. We (well, the relo agent) rang mid-afternoon and arranged to pop in the next morning. Frankly, I think we could have walked in off the street and asked to look around. It'd probably help if it was in a village where the default school was obvious, and if you explained you wanted to see it before committing to an apartment.

So it's doable, but you'd have to move quite quickly - good letting properties are red-hot, and the landlord won't hold it whilst you dither. We viewed our house Wed afternoon, set up the school appt, saw the school 10am Thurs morning then went straight back about the house and said we'd take it, had seen the school, were definitely happy, etc.

Although the commune has final say in where kids go to school, it's usually the obvious local one unless the year groups are full, and this is information the school can tell you on the spot.

OP - in a way, it's quite refreshing to have the decision taken out of your hands. My kids' school here couldn't be further from the ones my son went to the UK: a giant modern campus covering ages 4-16 instead of tiny rural Victorian primary school houses. But both types have worked for him, in different ways. I've now decided that there is no 'right' school - that most schools are 'good enough', and any gaps can be supplemented at home during their ridiculous lunch breaks anyway.

kodokan

Hi - I am new to this forum and posted my question below in another thread but I think it's more relevant here. Thank you for any advice on our situation and options we're considering.

We currently live in the US (MA) and husband has been asked to take a job based in Nyon for 2-3 years. We have two kids - ages 8 and 11. I recently took a preview trip to look at international schools (from Geneva to Nyon). The older child has a place at La Cote but it looks impossible for the younger to get off the long waiting list there. I also liked ISG La Chat campus but that seems similarly unrealistic to count on a place opening for Fall 2010. I wasn't excited about the other schools I saw, so our options seem to be:

- Find a town near Nyon that has a public school that is welcoming to non-French speakers and enroll the younger child (level 4) there. Driving around, I liked the looks of Prangins (skateboard ramp by the lake would be a great selling point to the kids) and Founex. But I don't know anything about the public schools there.

- Shift the international school search to the Lausanne/Vevey/Montreux area and resign husband to a long commute (train?) to Nyon every day. I'm predicting that the school waiting lists may be similar there?

- Husband commutes long-distance for a year and rest of family comes for Fall 2011 when the ISG in Founex will have plenty of places at all levels due to new building being constructed.

Would greatly appreciate any advice about the public schools around Nyon (eg other towns we should be considering?), what the commute to Nyon might be like if we shifted our home location as far as Montreux, etc.

Thank you so much ---