I should visit this forum much more often, as I feel kinda lonely here in Switzerland after three years..
Anyway, that's not my point of todays question
The context:
My best friend wanted to have a classic Fiat Panda 4X4 as his first car. He lives in the Netherlands. He tried to find one in Italy, but would never get a response from the sellers. These cars are getting pretty hot property nowadays, so it's much easier to sell one to a local. So this got me thinking. We found one in Switzerland, and since I am here on a B-permit, I decided I would buy it, to make it easier for the seller. So I bought it, I had it registered and insured.
Now, we took the car to the Netherlands, on a car ambulance, and it's sitting in a private garage there, while it's being worked on. I have the plates and the current Ausweis here with me in Switzerland. I think I've figured out that I have to make an appointment at a Zollambt, and that I have to prepare a "Ausfuhrzollanmeldung (e-dec Anmeldung)". That last one is a nightmare to get through, but I'll try.
Do I first have to go to the local Verkehrsprüfzentrum SVSA with the Ausweis and have the Ausweis cancelled there (have the stamp put on it), before I go to the Zollambt?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. If I have been unclear about anything, please feel free to ask further questions.
You wont need an e-dec if the car has allready been exported. You might need a Dutch lawyer to sort this mess out. From the Swiss side it is a non-issue as there is no export tax nor duty, just a bit of formalities. From the Dutch side you might face huge fines.
Registration and customs are two separate things. You can export a car with the original Swiss plates, with special export plates, or with no plates on a trailer/truck. No idea why you insured and reigstered the car after you bought it, but you might had some good reasons.
Thanks for your reply! I mean, do you smuggle your car across the border when visiting another country? It's still in my name
Regarding the e-dec: I'm not sure how you define exported. It has left the country, but not on paper. I'm only concerned about the swiss paperwork-formalities, how to get the car off my name, and registered as permanently exported
The registration: I was under the assumption that ownership of a motor vehicle in Switzerland requires a new Ausweis.
The insurance: I was told at the STVA in Orpund that I need to have the vehicle insured in order to register it with them.
Administration is not my talent at all, and not being very good at German makes it a lot worse..
I'm positive it isn't impossible to get the export done on paper with the car already being abroad. I read on a goverment website that this is an option..
I mean, what if you are abroad and decide to sell your car to a local? You have to be able to do that..
There are procedures for if you wreck your car, but you also need to show papers that it indeed got shredded. You cannot just drive somewhere, sell your car and think you can do the paperwork when returning from the holiday.
BTW: E-Dec Anmeldung is nothing more or less to do paperwork upfront before you take your car to the border to formally export it.
No, it is formless, but some conditions must be met. Like you drive the vehicle yourself across the border, you do not use it commercially (not as a taxi, nor to transport commercial goods), and intend to return with the vehicle.
Export: The movement of goods into an other custom area. If you do not have the correct paper, or are not exempt from paper work, it is smuggling.
Some exports/imports are by its nature temporary and do not need any formalities. Some other need formalities even if temporary.
Regarding e-dec. Contact a Swiss customs https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...a/contact.html and ask them what formalities, on the Swiss side, have to be done if you drove abroad and due to an accident abroad, which is not worth to be fixed, you will leave and sell the car abroad. Please report back.
To get it of your name. Go to the StVA/SAN of your canton hand in plates, gray card, and say: Anullieren/Anulée. Done.
No. You only have to register a holder if you intend to use or store it on public roads.
That is correct. No insurance, no registration, no plates.
I did this. But all the customs paper work was done by the buyer. So I cannot tell you what was needed. I do not think that scrapping is a needed condition. At least not from the Swiss side.
Shredding as "figure of speech" you need a paper by a recognised car "demolisher" that they have taken the car in and it will never return on the road.
I once wrecked my car on the German autobahn, and insurance would handle all, but they insisted that I would get this paper from the people who would take my car, after that it just gets marked as destroyed no export/import needed.
In case of selling the car while it will still be used, surely companies with official recognition have ways to solve it all without bringing the car back, but if I now would drive to the Netherlands and sell my car there to my sister there is no easier/cheaper way to fix this than to return to the border here with the car to do a regular import/export imho.