You are the "servant" (as being the one doing the chores) - and for this luxury they need to pay you more than your normal rate. I agree that both families need to pay you too. And to compensate while they have fun and relaxation, the fee should be something to really make your heart happy.
The Sfr150 a day sounds practical. They win, you win.
If you do not go with them, do you still get paid while staying home? And they`d then have to hire a stranger to be nanny/maid, which won`t make the children happy. Or give them relief in having someone who knows their likes/dislikes, as you obviously do by this time.
If you want to negotiate a daily rather than hourly fee, fine - but CHF 150 per day to watch 5 children is too low, IMO. I'd guess somewhere upward of 300 per day is closer to what you should negotiate as a daily rate.
Don't let the family take advantage of you.
- the destination doesn't matter.
Your job is to look after 2 children, so requesting more money to look after 5 children is MORE than fair.
The other family should of course pitch in for the additional expense as it's to their benefit.
This is NOT a holiday for you, this is work. In fact, this is more than double the amount of work you previously agreed to do.
150chf a day isn't enough. Especially in a ski resort.
I'd ask for a flat 50chf an hour charge as you have more than doubled your workload...... tell them that per child "that's a discount, and you're doing them a favour".
Its just to protect your self from being over worked and a burnout.
im going to wake up around 6:30 in the morning to prepare there foods and i will be finished to work around 9 in the evening because i need to cleaned everything i think 150chf is too less... my boss knew even though they are going to ski i will do a lot of things for them like washing there clothes and cleaning there rooms...at night i need to take the kids a shower and prepare foods so i think 150chf is not worth it... i work like a slave if that so... but still i dont know maybe 30 are too much or what... but if i will ask you?shall we say you work as babysitter will you mind to take 150 a day and do all the stuff or let them pay 30chf/hour each family? please advise me
Or (If you feel thats perhaps too high)
Offer Sfr500 per day (@25- per hr) for the 5 children. All in price Sfr2,500 for 5 days of work. I assume a day each way for travelling - at your usual fee for the 2 children.
If I were you, and a bit nervous about "bargaining" - simply write out a quote/ "invoice" for them to peruse.
You`re not a "free quantity" to be used by others.
And not just for the children? You are cleaning and cooking for the entire two families and doing their washing ?
Ok, revise what I wrote above . 8 hours at normal rate, 6 hours at overtime rates (multiplied for the extra people/kids).
Others here more experienced with pay rates/times will hopefully give you a complete breakdown of what to ask for.
It most certainly is going to be a LOT of work!
You`ll be needing a holiday afterwards.
You could charge your regular family 25/hour (normal rate) then charge the other family 35/hour because they have one additional child. This way it would be more equitable.
I think your hourly rate of 60/hour is reasonable as there are 5 children and then on top you will have housework to do as well.
If you are working 15+ hours per day, a daily rate of 150 is much much too low (10/hour) especially when considering the workload you will have.
Good luck!
100chf per day per child (500chf per day)
Sell it to them as indicated above, you are offering a discount from 30chf / hr to 25chf an hour........ even at your current rate on 2 children this is an extremely discounted offer.
Ask the other family to contribute towards the cost as this involves their kids as well.
Don't take "It's a holiday" bullshit - this is your job, it's what you do.... it doesn't matter where it is.
Ski resorts are also expensive, so you need to be compensated for the increase costs associated and the inconvenience of not being based in your own location.
This is outside (over and above) your original work conditions and needs a review. You are now responsible for 5 children instead of 2 and the workload involved naturally increases.
If you can demonstrate these points. It will show that you've thought this through and will be hard to argue.
If they don't agree, ask them to find someone cheaper and better than you are.
....... chances are they will find someone cheaper and 'dumber' so ask them if they woud truly trust this new unknown person with their children.
This isn't fleecing your employer. This is standing up for your rights.
besides "The squeeky wheel gets the oil".
Be firm about this.
these would be fair... its true this is not my holiday it is there holiday.. and here in switzerland everything has a price...i can be there slave and work 15 hours for 2 FAMILIES but they must pay me 60chf for both family...12chf for each kids...which is even nothing plus i will work cook and do all the things while they are skiing...so less than 600chf a day a BIG NO if they want they can find somebody if they want.... anyway a BIG THANKS TO YOU
It would be great to hear a "win" story for a change.
I wish you GOOD LUCK
I wonder how much a cup of coffee costs at the ski resort? If you manage to escape for a little breather and "me" time - which I doubt you`ll have time for! Catering and cleaning for NINE people on their holiday!
Personally, if you enjoy the job, want to continue and are interested to help them at a different location, find an agreement with your employers. However, to take a negative attitude is not the best advice, unless you believe they are unfair and you are prepated to lose the position.
Taking an extra person on holiday also means extra costs; i.e. Hotel rooms and eating out. Not to mention, travel costs and excursions. If you want to be treated like a "by the hour babysitter", you should not be insulted if they offer you a plate of beans, while they eat lobster.
In my book, fairness comes from both sides.
Just wait until you become a mother....We had FIVE bedrooms full over Christmas ( two weeks...), including an au-pair and her friend, who were not allowed to stay at her host family's apartment. The Au-pair is a friend...of a daughter of a school friend of mine, from 30 years ago! ( not my employee!)
My house-keeper was on holiday. However, I doubt she would have asked for a higher hourly wage, if she had been here...she would have automatically received more, with increased hours. Obviously, I am good to her and she is good to me. Otherwise, she would not have had holiday during my busiest time of the year..
...... additonal costs for their ski holiday...... please !!!
If they can afford a ski holiday AND expect more from their employee, then they can pay.
Your 'waiter' example is flawed in that the more people at a table, proportionally the cost of the table increases, and yes, the waiter could possibly expect more tip.
A teacher has the same syllabus regardless of the amount of pupils in the class room....... I'm sure you've attended a university lecture.
The work load HAS increased outside the original agreement, she has a right to review the pay conditions, or decline.
She may price herself out of the market, but if she doesn't ask, then nothing changes at all.
The counter argument from her employment is likely to disagree, but if a new arrangement can be met, then it's still more of a win than not trying at all.