I really hate when Swiss people talk in German in front of me...

Thank god it morse I thought my computer was going t**ts up....but I watched independence day the other day and if laser zapping aliens with dreads couldn't understand it I don't feel so bad

Sutter may perhaps have been speaking about Swiss German... Which is the language that is spoken here so in many ways it makes more sense to learn.

No you don't. You just need this to join in:

http://www.qbit.it/lab/morse.php

Ok so i should of said the way you read it, it is different how you pronounce it, when i was learning German, and first got some books i tried to read some words in German, and it came out all wrong (well so my partner told me)

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Not sure funny is a word I'd use... Its getting a bit stale now!

Plug it into here and listen to it

(I was being sarcastic)

Sorry... didn't get the binary smilies!

When I decided to move to the US I barely spoke English. I assure you, not one person spoke German let alone Swiss German with me. The only option I had was to learn the language as quickly as possible if I wanted to be able to communicate. I didn’t know any German speaking people, i.e. friends, and I didn’t work for a company who would have provided or sponsored an English class for me. I had to look around and find the information for a school on my own. That was a challenge in itself as I had to read through the phone book, newspaper advertisement etc., all in English, as it was years before “everyday people” had access to the internet. I was exposed to English 24/7. How could I not learn the language?

This is not a complaint, the fact that nobody spoke German I mean, but a fact that I was in a different country and that I had to adapt. There are dictionaries and they were invented for a specific reason. Moving to a different country I believe one should be aware that there will be a different language spoken and should be prepared to learn it. I agree that English is “the” language to be spoken, certainly helps in many ways of life and these days I believe that, especially young people, do speak English almost everywhere. I know of many people that have been in a different country for years and never learn the local language, not even the most basic things to have a simple conversation just for the fact that there are English speaking people everywhere and these are the people they stick around with. Sure, it is everyones own decision to learn or not learn the local language but if one has no interest in learning, at least don’t complain and blame the “natives”. I feel that it is a bit pretentious, if I may say so, to expect the local people always having to accommodate the non locals.

This is pretty much how my girlfriend learned English. Then she ended up hanging out with us Paddies... Now she gets asked if she is Irish when she needs to speak to people in English for work!

I agree.

If I went to a new country and the local people did everything to accommodate my culture and language and make me feel at home, I might as well have stayed at home. It would completely defeat most of the point of going to a new country. Well, unless your point in going to anew country is simply to earn more money. But then you hardly need any social interaction if that is your main priority, do you?

No, I just made the mistake of using a quick post and didn't insert the necessary emoticon to add levity to the comment, that's all.

Bad word choice...good catch. This forum is typically well mannered. I'm sure you're aware of others that are not. They tend to be the ones that are not visited as regularly.

Good luck to Tweener in heeding the cart loads of advice that have been offered today.

OK...Let's close this thread (I see that it has already degenerated, with people starting to write in morse or binary).

To all the people that say that I should make some effort to learn German, I can assure them that I'm doing it...But I'm not able to learn it by listening to people who speak fast, simply because I'm not even able to discerne the single words...

To all the people who told me that I should show a little respect for my new country, I can assure them that I show much respect for it, and even by Swiss standards I usually respect the rules in an ever stricter way than the average Swiss, because I know that I'm a guest, so I must be even better than the hosts in this new home...

Hi Tweener!

Well after the sandblasting you got I can understand you want this thread closed. But before that, I'd like to make a couple of remarks and a book recommendation.

First off, having lunch in a group bigger than 3 or 4 almost automatically engenders a group dynamic where the language of the majority is spoken.

It's nothing personal, just that the people want to keep the conversation flowing nicely.

As a consequence, try to go to lunch with 2 or 3 Swissies, like that it's easier to interject "hey guys, I didn't just get the joke/point. Please, I want a laugh too" etc. Bring it jokingly, and they're happy to explain. Ask how a particular expression goes or what a specific word means.

Secondly, in a smaller group, you can pull the conversation to your side. But obviously, you need something to tell, like the fun you had over the weekend (ask what specific key words are in SG). Ask them to help you tell the thing in SG.

Then, given you're a book-oriented learner, get a copy of " Hoi - Your Swiss German Survival Guide ". It's really good. Available at Orell Füssli's English outlet on Bahnhofstrasse 70.

Good luck, and don't despair , or worse, let hate poison your outlook.

My problem is this: Swiss Germans switching to high German when they speak to me. I know it's a reflex but when you're trying to practice Swiss German it can be really annoying. I find it best just to ask if they will speak Mundart to me. Quite often I give them a blank look, but if they learn to say it in Swiss a bit slower rather than switching to high German and saying it slower I actually learn something.

I don't really think it's fair at all to expect them to speak English.

If you intend any kind of normal socialising you simply have to learn the language.

I have worked for the last 3 years with people who speak almost no English. The solution? I learnt German. It wasn't so hard and I was able to communicate with co workers, which was good. They really appreciated the effort I made. You don't need to understand every word of thier conversation, I understand about 40% of the Swiss german that I hear, sometimes that's all that's needed. Have fun with it and don't be afraid of making mistakes.

Tweener, I don't know what your level of German or Swiss German is like but my husband had a bit of a break-through when I gave him a "Zürich by Mike" (cartoons, find it in any book shop). Before, he had no idea where a Swiss German word started or finished, but seeing words / sentences written out somehow helped him. Maybe for you too.

trowel

Whoever would dare to say now that comics are only for kids and useless....

Thanks for sharing!

Btw - can only recommend those comics, they DO show some of our everyday quirks...