Iphone 5c or 5s [Release Date in CH]

Why did you buy it and where? Apple have a 14-day return.

I love my 5s, but my poor eyes complain after 1 hour reading it. so if someone wants to make an offer for it, they can have it.. agreed. nice hardware

just not for 40+ year olds ha.

I bought it from UK last week, its nice but again to small for my eyes.

If your in Bern/Fribourg your welcome to view it.. have a play. works well on sunrise/orange 4g for me so far. thanks

I know the problem - I'm not 40 yet but ever since I've had laser eye surgery, my eyes have been very dry. Small screens aren't good for me - but as I said, I'm using the iPhone as my walk-around phone - so I don't stare at it all the time. I have a tablet at home.

http://www.macprime.ch/news/article/...iz-erhaeltlich

Will be released on October 25 here. Pricing is pretty much the same as everywhere else - 899 for the 32gb version. Switzerland beat Albania by almost a week - apple must like us!

Hi,

a general question ....are you buying these the phones without contracts ? They seem incredibly expensive. Considering that phones used to be changed every couple years, though they may have now changed to 3 or 4 years as smartphones have got to the level of development where the difference between this year's product and last year's is getting smaller and smaller.

If you are paying nearly a 1000 CHF I assume you are intending to keep the phone for a long time.

Am I missing something ? This question is valid for all smartphones.

Have fun

Martin

These prices are for direct purchase from Apple - unlocked, and without any contracts. Pop your simcard in and off you go.

Of course, 1000CHF is a lot, but it's keeping in line with the general standard/cost of living compared to the US/UK/Germany. For the 16gb model, 779CHF vs 700 EUR (860CHF) in Germany. If you can get the VAT refund worked out, only then does it become cheaper to buy from Europe than here, and most people are happy to pay that small premium.

I assume the mobile providers will have subsidized costs alongwith their contracts, but they haven't revealed their pricing yet.

I'll be looking to upgrade from my 4S to a 64GB 5S since my 2 year contract expired. I'm curious what the cost of this will be. chf 650?

To be honest regardless of price If you're in the smartphone market then I don't think you can expect a useful lifetime of more than 3 years. Even if the phone is fully functional my experience is that they tend to get obsoleted after around that period of time anyway - by obsoleted I mean you may well find that very latest OS is either incompatible, or runs like a pig. You may well find that an app you condsider essential has been upgraded and will no longer run on your model phone or OS version, leaving you with the old version which is now broken because the developers changed the whole server side with the last update. Basically the "smart" functions of the phone degrade as the phone gets older by way of fewer Apps and therefore less content available for it.

Sure an old smartphone will still do the basics, but you don't buy a smartphone to do just the basics.

So 1000 chufs for a phone, sure it's expensive, but if it's the phone that does what I need it to then I'll buy it fully aware that in 2 - 3 years time it'll probably be on it's last legs and I'll be looking to buy again.

The irony is is that if a dumbphone is all you need than you can pick one up for peanuts and probably expect at 5 or more years out of the thing. (My GF's last phone lasted 8 years, and her current one is now on year 7)

You pay your money and take your choice.

And the dumbphone has the added advantage that the battery charge lasts for ages.

Smartphones sing and dance, but personally, I never listen to music on mine, for example, because the battery will then likely be down before I can charge it, and the primary point of it is to be able to make calls.

Talking of battery life, I am always amazed at the number of people I see watching videos on their tablets on planes, for example. 3 times in my life I have been diverted (twice after emergency landings) to strange and distant airports, and have needed internet access to make other plans, and the phone to contact my nearest and dearest. Remembering this, I try to conserve battery as much as possible in my technology whilst travelling.

I don't think he meant this in relation to other countries - but probably as a general remark. And yes: I completely agree: iPhones in general are overpriced. Pretty much every other smartphone is drastically cheaper. I don't see how Apple is making these things even more expensive every year. You can get an LG G2 for 548 Fr. (32gb version), an S4 for around 550.- (16gb version), a Lumia 920 for around 350.- and the Nexus 5 will cost around 400.-

Heck, you can even get a Nexus 10 tablet for 250 right now

You are discounting the huge amount of R&D that goes into iOS and maintaining its ecosystem (e.g. iCloud, App Store, iTunes etc..). Of course they've been smart enough to turn them into revenue streams in their own right, never the less you can still own an iPhone and use all these services for free (e.g. free apps, podcasts, 5GB free iCloud space etc..). LG, Samsung, HTC etc.. essentially get their OS for free from Google and Google also provides most of the cloud based resources.

The iPhone costs the same as previous editions did when they were launched *IN THE US* - which is their biggest, and most targeted market most likely anyway. Switzerland doesn't make it any easier for the customers with all the massive duties it charges on practically everything.

The difference between Apple and the other phones you've mentioned is that Apple does not allow its retailers variable pricing - they must offer it at a fixed price (maximum discount allowed is 10% I believe), while Nokia/Samsung/LG etc are "free-float" offers. The Nexus 5, while a phenomenal phone, will never reach the market penetration as an iPhone 4s/5/5s - since most tech-unsavvy consumers will buy subsidized phones from their carrier as opposed to from Google direct. Also, the Nexus 5 will most likely never be officially on sale via Google Play CH(the same way Nexus 4 wasn't).

The Nexus tablet is now technically the previous generation, hence the discount. The new editions are not for sale in CH via google play, only thru 3rd party retailers.

At the end of the day, some people will find reason in the premium for the iPhone - whether because of the product, the status, the style, or simply because "it's Switzerland, everthing is more expensive". Others will find it overpriced, and they won't buy. Everyone's correct, no one is wrong.

Hi

Maybe I should have more specific. My impression is that there quite a few people this forum who buy a new phone or tablet every year. If you are doing that then you are paying the full price and not the subsidized price. That is a lot money to spend each year on a phone. Do you just use the old phone for a year and then sell it?

My own rule is a phone or tablet should be cheaper than a laptop and I have never been able to fill 8gb the lowest memory models are sufficient.

By the way the 64gb iPhone bill of parts is about $218 so that is an incredible margin

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Martin

Exactly that, and if you pick the right handset from the start and take good care of it then you can usually sell for about the cost of the next model (subsidised price of course). I went through 3 gens of iPhone that way and it was almost cost neutral.

People are different...if you are ok with 8 gb is great but, like you said, you have your own rule and I have my own rules. For my kids 64gb is not enough but I am fine with 16...

Like Castro said, one can easily sell an iphone and buy another without paying much because the iphones do not loose value like...nokia. I am a freak when it comes to maintaining my iphone and for example I paid back in January 700 chf for an iphone 5 64gb and I sold it last week for 650

dream on - I just sold my iPhone 5. All I got was 400 Fr. for it on Ricardo. Bought it for 780 6 months ago. Loss of value: 380 Fr. Bought my Lumia for 350 Fr., about 9 months ago, just sold it for 299.- - go figure.

Well my dreams are fine...what you are sharing is a nightmare I would be happy to give a few tips but the first free one...do not use ricardo Last month I sold an Iphone 5 32gb for 600 but the bill from ricardo was 32 chf There are way to many phones on ricardo...so I think you are having a marketing problem

I googled this word...nokia...but did not get a hit...do you mind explaining it

sorry, you've switched to fanboy-mode again, resulting in me not being interested in replying anymore.

All that says is that the Lumia 920 tanked in price very quickly, so you probably picked one up (CHF 350) at the very bottom of its depreciation curve. You have to compare Apples and Apples, the Lumia 920 at launch was as expensive as an equivalent iPhone... and coupled with crap exclusivity deals (e.g. in the UK it was exclusive to Phones4U???) it never managed to properly penetrate the market.