iPhone 7 released today

I really want an Ericophone... I'd show it off in my office. In red, please.

In case of Samsung phones the price decline is very steep compared to Apple phones.

That'll make me switch to Android certainly as there is no reason to spend 1k on a phone when there are very good ones released a year ago for less than 500.

I am waiting for apple to come with a dual sim phone until then I am either staying with my current iPhone 6 or will move to Android when 6 is out of life.

I know dual sim is not fancied by many here but I prefer to keep my work and private phone numbers separate (text, call and internet)

does anyone thing apple will ever come up with a dual sim phone?

Apple is trying to remove the SIM alltogether with a software solution, so the chance of them doing the exact opposite is sub zero.

I guess you can wait a bit...

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How do dual-SIM phones work these days?

Back when I had one, you had to log out of (basically: restart) your phone. But that was 15 years ago. I almost never used the 2nd SIM (phone was company provided).

Can the two SIMs be active at the same time, i.e. can you receive calls on both SIMs at the same time?

Apple already has a Software-only SIM on GSM-enabled iPads:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...s-stranglehold

If they could, they'd do that on iPhones, too. But obviously, carriers do not want this.

As for Android vs. iOS. Android does not work without giving all your data to Google, which in turn is selling out that data to the highest bidder for advertising. AFAIK, they allow advertisers to narrow down very, very close to individual users.

As an aside: in addition, cheap phones from China have been caught either siphoning data from users directly and sending it back to mainland-China or containing serious backdoors.

Apple does not do this. They keep all the data to themselves and actively anonymize most your activity and try to move as much processing back to the phone from the cloud.

And while you need to have an Apple-ID to activate the phone, you don't need to enable iCloud or iCloud Backups.

You can actually still sync most stuff via iTunes, if you want (calendar entries, contacts) and of course you can do manual, local, encrypted backups.

Which is not possible with Android, because while people are easy to come up with criticism on iTunes, nobody has come up with something better in Android-land either.

Android phones might be "cheaper" and the google-services are "free" - but that is a very skewed perception. The real price people pay is much, much higher.

Back when I had one, you had to log out of (basically: restart) your phone. But that was 15 years ago. I almost never used the 2nd SIM (phone was company provided).

Can the two SIMs be active at the same time, i.e. can you receive calls on both SIMs at the same time? I had a dual SIM HTC phone, corporate and private SIMs. Could receive calls on either at any time, if one line was busy and a call came n I could switch between the two, data was only on SIM 1 though

As for Android vs. iOS. Android does not work without giving all your data to Google, which in turn is selling out that data to the highest bidder for advertising. AFAIK, they allow advertisers to narrow down very, very close to individual users. I use AD block same as I do using Chrome. Haven't seen an ad for years on any device I own.

As an aside: in addition, cheap phones from China have been caught either siphoning data from users directly and sending it back to mainland-China or containing serious backdoors. You get what you pay for

Apple does not do this. They keep all the data to themselves and actively anonymize most your activity and try to move as much processing back to the phone from the cloud.

And while you need to have an Apple-ID to activate the phone, you don't need to enable iCloud or iCloud Backups.

You can actually still sync most stuff via iTunes, if you want (calendar entries, contacts) and of course you can do manual, local, encrypted backups.

Which is not possible with Android, because while people are easy to come up with criticism on iTunes, nobody has come up with something better in Android-land either. Been using Titanium backup for years to back up to the phone itself or an external OTG device

Android phones might be "cheaper" and the google-services are "free" - but that is a very skewed perception. The real price people pay is much, much higher. How so? I have a phone that feels like it belongs to me rather than an expensive rental that the manufacturer stringently controls the usage of. And they're not always "cheaper".

I have a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Duos - which has two SIMs and it works seamlessly. One SIM for work, one for Private. You specify the default SIM for Calls, SMS and Mobile Data (it can be a mixture) but that doesn't prevent you manually selecting the other SIM to use.

It's also drop-dead gorgeous when places alongside the Iphone 6 Plus (haven't seen the 7). Same screen size but noticeably smaller.

I gave my kid the iPhone 6 & replaced it with the SE, I find it much better.. I will review next year on the 10th anniv.

The bestest hack ever.

These Apple Big Wigs need to be very careful what they say

#twitterbacklash

The hardware may belong to you - but all the past, current and future data you've already handed over to Google (who, again, sell it to the highest bidder).

It might look to you as if the data is not of any value right now.

But I can assure you that it's not worthless.

And it's very, very difficult (to the point of it being impossible) to take it back from Google.

Google might change their ToS at any point, most likely not to your advantage.

You might not care about their ToS now. But what if you started to at some point?

With advances in technology, AI and big-data technologies, even just looking at your past data might provide new insights.

I can practically guarantee you that over time, both (iOS and Android) ecosystems will gravitate towards the same kind of control.

Also, AFAIK, because more and more OS-functionality is moved to auto-updating "Play Store" components, the control a user can actually exert over an Android device might not be that complete.

But I'm not really interested in Android, so I might be wrong there.

As for the Dual SIM thing - I'm not quite sure what it's good for.

It might make sense for somebody who wants to have a "work" phone and a "private" phone number without carrying two devices.

But is that still a thing these days?

Managed to accidentally reserve a 7+ 32GB for in store pick up. The only way to cancel is to just not pick it up.

Think I will get it and have a couple of days play around and take it back. The price is really staggering though and it is Gold which I'm not a fan of. Would have liked the black.

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180 CHF for Airpods-what thieves they are

Looking forward to the 8.

Thank goodness there are other wireless headphone options out there

yes, not super thieving and not part of a tax dodging scheme ones

I checked and Bose's NC BT headphones are 419 CHF.

AFAIK, the AirPods are pretty unique, from the feature-set (e.g. Siri access).