(note: not really complaining here, I think planes are fun to watch and the noise, although louder, still isn't disturbing - mostly just curious)
Does anybody know if they changed the take off/landing route for planes coming into and out of the Basel airport? We moved right beside Kannenfeldpark a year ago and have been quite used to the planes flying near by. We were initially told that they weren't allowed to come closer but for the last month or so we've noticed some were very low on take-offs. The first time I thought something might be wrong, but it's been enough times now that apparently something has changed. Just wondering if anybody else noticed this and if they know why the difference.
I lived quite close to the airport in Basel. Over the years, I noticed that when winds were high and sometimes when clouds were low, the patterns changed and the planes were louder and closer. Not sure what kind of weather you're having in Basel now, but perhaps that's the reason?
It could be due to the volcano ash, its location, wind direction and height.
Low cloud = low aircraft. Winds hardly making any difference, there is hardly any wind at the moment but was a slight breeze yesterday afternoon.
Basel airport is aligned, like nearly all airports, to the prevailing winds. So in this case North (NNW) / South (SSE).
Kannenfeldpark, obviously, south of the airport you will get aircraft noise.
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CK
Damn planes, get outta my yard!
*Harrumph*
That'll teach 'em.
Really? Basel changes its SIDs and SIAs because of low cloud? Interesting...
Not as bad as in Florence. if you are stuck on the motorway, you can see the faces of the passengers in the airplane!!! And one every 7 min!
In my world they do. Why else would they change the height for landing... perhaps it is only on SUnday's that they come in higher to make less noise.. or high / low pressure?
CK
Standard approach for BSL is usually from the north for landing 16, with strong northerly or easterly winds you might get traffic on 34. The cross runway is too short for any airliners of a reasonable size. Just because Switzerland leases much of the land from France at the southern end, this doesn't influence approach or departure routes. (I can't find any STARs or SIDs for BSL freely available on the net I'm afraid). STAR - Standard Approach, SID = Standard Instrument Departure.
I'll quote my much vaunted phrase, "unless you are about 80 years old, you'll probably find that the airport was there before you."
Since May they have been doing maintainence work on the runway it's actually currently over 1km shorter than usual, hence the much lower approach angle, coming in really low over Allschwil.
Also - planes with four engines struggle to gain altitude quickly compared with two-engine jets, if you have a lot of those, then it is noisier for longer.
Come again? The only 4-engined aircraft that is a BSL regular I can think of is the BAe 146 / Avro RJ jet. These planes are noted for their STOL (well relativly STOL, given their size) abilities.
It's what I've been observing with departures from ZRH - the two-engine ones climb quickly and quite quietly wheres the four-engine ones struggle to gain altitude and make a lot more noise.
There are a number of four-engined cargo planes that fly in, plus planes coming in for service at the LH Technik center in Basel. This monster was there a few weeks ago:
(In fact, I was trying to remember whether it was the four-engined or six-engined monster that was in BSL, but as the photo shows, it was the four-engined AN-124). A Saudi A340 is also at BSL for service right now.
Four engine planes at Basel (BSL) are a very uncommon sight.
All the regular scheduled flights are operated mostly by two engine
regional jets and some A319/320.
Last time I saw a 4 engine at Basel was the Sultan of Brunei's
private A340
You can find Stars, Sids and actually the AIP in whole at www.ead.eurocontrol.int . You have to set up an account, but it is free of charge. Pretty nifty tool to plan trips around Europe without juggling with monster Jepp binders.
ILS angle changing due to runway works? Hoppy, is that you?
Working in aviation makes me a self-appointed expert in this field, so I'll try and let you all into an insider bit of information.
Most planes get really, really low when they land. So low in fact, that most of the times, their tires kiss the asphalt and go "SQUEEEAAALL" with a puff of smoke courtesy of Dunlop, Goodyear or Michelin.
Then there's the reciprocal of that. We call that "Take Off". Basically, the plane lines up on the long bit of concrete into the wind and with flaps set, the engine(s) power up and brakes are released. The pilot will point the sharp end down the center of the runway until enough speed is attained (based on the airplane's weight, air temperature and available thrust) which is called V1, then he/she rotates the whole piece of aluminum or carbon fiber heavenwards and retracts the landing gear, or leaves it dangling out if it's a Cessna.
It works similarly with helicopters, but it gets a little more complicated and then I'd have to use BIG words.
This beastie recently flew out of BSL (and did a flappy wing byebye wave thing).
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Ah, but then you're talking A 340, A 380 and B 747 on long-haul departures, filled up to the gills with fuel - the reason they climb more slowly is that they are heavier (by a factor) than the short-haul stuff ex-BSL (or the planes that have come into BSL engineering base and are likely to depart way below MTOW).
I got the impression on a certain thread that these all went to Geneva GVA. Is it Basel now as well?