Moka pot debate

Is saw this discussion on whether you should compact coffee grounds in a Moka pot.

I am in the no compaction camp, but wondered if there was a reason to do one way or another?

main reason: % of caffeine extracted :wink: (and other phenolic agents). don’t thank me, thank the dozens of PhDs written on that. Moka standard pressure about 1.5 bars, vs expresso machine >6 bars…
High‐pressure processing‐assisted in‐situ extraction of caffeine, chlorogenic acid, phenolic content, and antioxidant properties of green coffee bean | Request PDF

but…more importantly. Will the Bialettis be the same after the acquisition of the Italian company by the Chinese VC in April?..

I’ve long come to the conclusion that there’s no right or wrong way to do stuff. If you prefer the taste of coffee prepared in a certain way, or in a certain machine or using a certain roast/bean/flavour, then your way is the ā€œrightā€ way.

There are so many people acting as gatekeepers these days that it sucks the joy out of even the most trivial action as they sagely tell you that ā€œyou’re doing it all wrongā€.

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I’m in the light compaction team.

No worries about the flavor. My issue is that while you close the Bialetti and no compaction, most of times coffee grounds are dropped. I don’t want to clean this, so I press the coffee a bit with the spoon to ensure nothing is dropped while closing the Bialetti.

You should not compact, the pressure isn’t enough, at least Italians are seeing it as bad thing to do.
In the normal espresso machine however you should, and there’s a special tooling for that, there the pressure is enough. There’re other interesting things, like the type of basket you use, distribution.
Not a barista, I’ve just digged a bit into this rabbit hole.
A big fan of Uganda and Rwanda Arabica beans.

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Exactly. However people may like their coffee, you can’t defy the laws of physics.

You mean the pressure is not enough to force the water through well to extract the flavour?

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It will extract some but it won’t be good, therefore it’s normally kept not condensed, it’s about 2 bars, while an electric espresso machine is 9-15 bars

I.e. there’re certain rules, for example if you filter coffee you could do it with a dry paper but the proper way is to first wet the paper and then put coffee and pour water. Of course if you don’t follow it you’d still achieve something.

I advise getting a lever espresso machine and forgetting about moka altogether

My question is purely theoretical as guests previously destroyed my moka pot and I since switched to instant coffee :stuck_out_tongue:

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Oh I wouldn’t even call it a coffee :frowning:

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Isn’t it time that you woke up to a richer, smoother-tasting cup?

That jingle is seared into my brain!

I invite you to go through this rabbit hole.

  • Buy an electric espresso machine:
  1. if you own home and have a good budget go for 3-4k (I’ve never done but but I’ve read maintenance is around 500 per year, I am personally considering Linea Micra if this moment comes..
  2. if you have a medium budget go for 1k (consider also machines ordereable from China, never tried this but read interesting reviews)
  3. if you’re low on budget go for ~500 +/ (I did this and I wouldn’t recommend the one I bought)
  • If the machine comes with a pressurized basket, order a non-pressurized one (single and double)
  • If the machine comes not with a bottomless portafilter order a bottomless one
  • Order a magnetic portafilter funnel
  • Order a coffee distribution tool (Wdt)
  • Order a stainless coffee tamper
  • Order a coffee leveler
  • Order a brush
  • Order a knock-off bin (they look unreliable but the trick is that their bar is not hard plastic but a resin kind of consuming the hit energy)
  • Order a small weight to measure coffee you grind to achieve 25s of extraction constantly
  • Order a good grinder (~600 ?)
  • Optional: it’s also possible to order metallic filters to put on top of coffee, I personally stopped using them

After a few weeks of use and mess order some tabletop cover and a startion for this stuff.

And you’ll be compacting your coffee every time and even in a few steps
=)

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or… make bosnian coffee in a 10 CHF pot.

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I’ve just googled it, do you bring it to boiling and put powder into it? That’s all?

My pyramid of coffee preferences from the worst to the best:

BAD

Instant Coffee

BAD+
Ground Coffee with boiling water simply poured into it
Capsule Coffee (unfortunately there’s a trend and Switzerland that many companies adopt this kind of machines, probably for cost cutting reasons)

OK

Dripped Coffee and similar (Filtered etc.)
Aeropress
Turkish Coffee and similar varieties if done by a newbie
Automated Electric Machine Coffee

OK+

Turkish Coffee and similar varieties if done by a professional

GOOD

Moka Coffee

BEST
Electric Machine Coffee (Double Espresso, Flat White)

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I highly recommend a manual lever espresso machine. You can manually adjust the pressure /time curve (which is possible on high end stuff like the decent espresso machine) and you save a ton of money to get a high end grinder.