Moving to Switzerland to farm?

Hello!

My husband and I are very interested in relocating to Switzerland, but we have some questions.

1. Are you really limited to only 5 pets? We have 11....

2. Can someone point me in the direction of where/how to find farm property for sale? All I can seem to find is apartments or houses on small lots and with 14 horses coming with us...we need a bit more room!

3. Does anyone know how a vegetarian will fare?

4. Is there a big anti-american sentiment? If so...how bad is it? I am Canadian and my husband is American.

Thanks!

Farms are very rare to come by and are quite small. There are lots of Swiss also looking for farms but all to no avail. What usually happens is the neighbouring farm rents the land and buildings in order to expand.

Welcome to the Forum.

Before someone else says it, perhaps in rather more colourful language, I suggest that if you are 'very interested' in relocation to Switzerland, you start off by reading some 'very interesting' posts on this Forum. I'm pretty sure there has been a Thread from someone before about wanting to buy a farm here. The search functions didn't work yesterday but they are working again now; I suggest you do too.

If you think this rather uncooperative, just wait until the other members see your questions. Have fun and good luck with the search.

And before the forum goes off answering all your questions (of which most answers can already be found via the search) have you already acquired work visas for Switzerland?

One needs a permit in order to acquire property too

http://www.gstaadrealestateservices....ate.php?cid=13

http://www.swissgetaway.com/questions_answered.html

On second thoughts, I'm feeling kind this afternoon. The blue words are all links to posts on here. Due to the 'new improvements' you can hardly see the blue instead of black and the underlining which made it stand out before went down the drain. I expect it will be back soon!

Bought a house

Someone bought a farm .

Tips on buying property

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The anti-American feeling depends quite a bit of where you are and what you are doing. There's a lot of it on here when Americans expect Switzerland to be a sort of mini-America, especially when they then call it Sweden.

You need to research the BGBB, (Bundesgesetz über das bäuerliche Bodenrecht) the federal laws regulating the ownership and use of farm land. As JRSPet says, you need a permit to be able to purchase farm land held under this law - which is much of the farm land available.

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/2/211.412.11.de.pdf

As a foreigner, it is very, very difficult to obtain farm land. In some communities, it is impossible. My husband and I too are Americans, we hold a C permits (the Swiss equivalent of permanent residency), my husband comes from a farming background, has practical farming experience... and we have been refused permission to purchase under the BGBB in our Gemeinde.

The law is designed to protect the family farm from falling into the hands of developers... and to keep farm land safely in Swiss hands and out of the clutches of shifty furinners who could never appreciate the historical and mythological and emotional place the family farm has in the Swiss psyche.

So - can you farm on non-agricultural land? Hmmmm - depends on exactly what you plan to do. You can raise veggies or fruit for your own use - but be aware that rules abound as to what you can do with a piece of property. (Seriously - I have to keep my fruit trees trimmed to 3 meters tall, so that my neighbors can see the lake.) Raising livestock is strictly regulated.

Non-agriculture land is very expensive. In my area, the cost of land is ca CHF 2500-3000 m2. Yep, that's per square meter. Now, this is a very expensive area, other areas will be much more affordable. But you'll be still shocked at land prices.

And that's if - a big if - you can get it. Agricultural land is price controlled, but as mentioned before you likely will not be allowed to purchase it.

By the way a plot of 1000m2 is considered a huge (non-agricultural) property here. That's a whopping 1/4 acre, not really big enough for a decent kitchen garden. And, as others have said, there is a lot of competition for a piece of property that is slightly larger than a postage stamp.

The farms around me are all about 10-15 acres. They all raise dairy cows or highland cattle for beef. Not much else is viable. (And dairy is arguably not all that viable here - most farmers get the bulk of their income as subsidies. I remember a recent article in the local newspaper that claimed that the average SZ farmer earned 12,000 a year by himself - the rest of his income, some 60-70,000 were direct subsidies from the government. Another reason why the Swiss don't want danged furriners coming here to try to farm. )

Why Switzerland? If you really want to farm you would be far better off buying in the US or Cananda, where for a mere couple hundred of thousand you can get huge tracts of land, especially now.

We are in the process of buying in the US. I just saw a nice 'little' 120 acre tract in an area I love, directly on Lake Michigan, beachfront extending to orchards... for 1/4 the price of my tiny postage stamp plot of ground here.

Seriously - why Switzerland?

Oh, and first think about permits. It's getting very hard for a non-EU person to come to Switzerland. And don't underestimate the xenophobia.

ETA: The limit on pets:

5 is the max you can import as a private individual, at one time. More than that and you must follow commercial rules. You could import your crew in stages, though, under the individual rules.

As to how many you can keep, though - that's another issue, likely regulated by the Gemeinde. In some cantons/Gemeinde, there are limits to the number of dogs one may own, especially if one is a listed breed. Also, bear in mind there is a dog tax - in some cantons it is a flat fee per dog around CHF 150-ish, but in others it escalates by a multiplier of the number of dogs you own. I have 3 dogs, and pay CHF 700 per year for the dog tax on my three amigos. Doing a bit of quick math: in my Gemeinde with its multiplier for each additional dog - if your 11 pets are all dogs that would be 11,100 per year.

Most importantly, be aware that there is a growing anti-dog sentiment around. In some neighborhoods it is not easy owning more than one or two dogs. One reason I am looking at farm properties back in the US is that my neighbors have made life very difficult for me - and I only have 3 mutts. Although I could legally add another to my crew, it would be impossible given the attitudes of my neighbors.

There is no tax for cats. Lucky feline owners.

I should add that my experience is based on looking for farmland in SZ and the surrounding area. As with everything in Switzerland, YMMV by geography. You may have an easier time of it in other areas. Or not.

Good luck to you.

2. Farmhouses for sale

(Most of them are part of a farm, so you share the land with the farm owners, without you have to do the farming.

Look for a 'Stöckli' to buy, these are adjacent houses on the farm.)

3. I am a vegetarian myself... a lot of Swiss are, it's very common - you will do fine.

A big plus when you'll move to the Swiss countryside is you are able to buy your organic vegie/fruit and eggs directly from the farmers for a reasonable price, cheaper than at the grocery stores.

There are also a lot of health food stores in CH where you can get meat replacment products, like seitan etc.

4. nope.

From my (limited) experience, most non-Swiss here, are here for one of 2 main reasons (although there are obviously many more):

1) employment (existing job transfer/secondment/offer)

2) marriage/family connections.

Just curious as to why a Canadian and an American would choose to move here to start farming - which has already been described as almost impossible for non-nationals?

Was this something you saw on TV, or some idyllic dream?

I would have thought that with your menagerie - and as both of you come from lands of wide open spaces - you would have had more success in pursuing your dreams closer to home. This country would fit into many individual states in both of your countries. A lot of land here is uninhabitable because of big lumps of rock, and remaining land is extensively used and relatively densely populated. If it were so easy for anyone to come here to live and work, on just a whim, then it would be more so.

At best you could hope to rent a mountain hut, only in the summer, when the cows go to high pasture, have an outside privvy, which utilises the same pit as the cows, with no running water, milk cows, make cheese and sell drinks to passing hikers to supplement your income.

Given that the American CNN put Iraq on a map where Austria belongs, next to Germany it is no doubt that many Americans don't know where Switzerland is. Even worse, it is often a wonder that many Americans have no idea about how their neighbors up to the north live, thinking many of us still are in Igloos but considering you are a mixed couple I'm sure you will do just fine where ever you decide to go.

Welcome to the forum, I can't tell you about buying a farm here but I can tell you how much I appreciate what those farmers do. I'm please to get away from the North American industrialized food sources and to have the opportunity to support local Swiss farmers here. I can't easily find local farmers organic products in local supermarkets/stores here and even my local butcher can't supply me with chicken bones to make my stocks because all their meat comes from big processing manufacturer's but I do go out to the local farms myself to get around this. Grocery chains such as Migros and COOP dominate the market here and this is the land of Nestle after all, yes they have all jumped on the "bio, slow food" concept but I can't help but think it's all just a marketing ploy. (given that my language abilities are still very limited in reading labels I am still quite sceptical)

I am currently looking for land myself but it has proven to be much more challenging than I expected it would be and with many more rules/laws and restrictions that you would not encounter in Canada.

It seems to me that Farmers work very hard here just scratching out a living in this very expensive country. If you think Canada is expensive you should think twice. here you will be blown away by fee after fee and as long as you aren't growing crops that accidentally have seeds blown onto your farm land that are patented by Monsanto you should still be OK to farm in Canada. With the amount of horses/pets you have it sounds like you might simply be a hobby farm? If that is the case you might be better off staying in Canada but I can't judge that based on the info you have provided. What part of Canada are you in? I'm obviously Canadian so that is why I ask. I live in a small town in Central Switzerland and love that I can have a local farmer raise my turkey for me for next Christmas but I have different circumstances than you do as I'm not a farmer. Yes this This is an affluent society but there are many people here who still struggle to keep up with inflation and I see many unsuspecting citizens eyeing the recycling bins with unusual curiosity.

Most Swiss automatically think I'm American and I have not encountered any problems with that, although I must admit that bankers do seem to give me a sigh of relief when opening a bank account as a Canadian citizen. Everyone regardless of citizenship is now being asked to sign a waiver/release that they are not US citizens or green-card holders. I believe it may get more complicated for you and your partner as a US citizen (depending on your citizenship status) especially if you are looking for financing for your venture. Finding mortgages in Canada is much easier than it would be in Switzerland as a US citizen and of course it is all depending on your situation, is your partner stoic on holding onto citizenship?

Hm. Reminds me of someone from the past.

Organic farming in Switzerland

OK, in that case I would leave hubby at home and bring another pet instead. Canadians are always welcome (I should know I married one).

(OK, and as you are new here I will point out that my answer was firmly tongue in cheek...)

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I would be curious to know why you are so interested in relocating to Switzerland. I have Swiss friends who want to buy a farm in Canada (they are farmers here). They have done the research and say the conditions in Canada are far better, starting with the price of land.

1) the number of pets is NOT limited, BUT the authorities (police, animal protection, etc) will check up the conditions under which the pets are kept

2) farmland is exceedingly limited by size. And in general Swiss farmers tend to emigrate to less narrow countries. 14 horses ? Well, Saignelégier is a kind of centre in regard to horses. I suggest you contact

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It is possible that one of the older horses farmers is looking for retirement, who knows

3) There are many vegetarians, and so there is no problem really

4) The USA still are fairly popular in Switzerland, so if your husband abstains from showing enthusiasm for GWB or/and Mrs Palin, there is no problem at all

I am interested in buying a farm in central Switzerland but I can't find any for sale on the usual real estate sources. Is there some other place I should look?

Thanks

Yeah, search the forum, and see above.

I did but missed this thread. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Have you considered buying a farm in a neighbouring country but close to the border so you can combine the advantages of Switzerland with a country that's maybe cheaper and easier on selling farmland. Take a look in Alsace for example. Plenty of very nice farms there.

And the further you move away from Switzerland, the more you can save.

A relative of mine has moved to Spain and bought an absolutely endless plot of farm land with thousands of fruit trees (almonds, oranges and similar) and a nice farmhouse (albeit in urgent need of some loving care) for under 200,000 Euros.

I'll be even more practical - with all of that in tow, why are you even thinking of coming here?

I honestly don't see the point!