Need car for hiking and skiing?

My wife just got an offer for a transfer to the Geneva office. As we weigh the positives and negatives we are trying to determine if having a car is required. One of the attractive things for me is hiking and skiing are two big hobbies for me that I enjoy in the Seattle USA area that I would be able to keep if we take the offer. Any hikers / skiiers have any comments on whether a car is required for hiking and skiing if living in or around Geneva? A motorcycle is a possibility for hiking, but I'm afraid they aren't very good in snow but it would be nice if we could get by without a vehicle at all.

In theory, no. Public transport and temporary car hire (via mobility) mean you can get to month hiking and skiing areas without a car.

In practice though, a car really helps, as travel time is usually reduced and convenience greatly increased.

If you are wanting to avoid a car, why not try public transport and other options before buying?

Public transport is awesome here, and the postbus system will take your right up into the corners of the mountainous country even in the winter...

We've been living in Zurich for just over 2 years with three children and no car - after coming from a very car-dependent Australian culture...and we can say 'it is possible'...

A colleague has been here 8 years, and Basel is even further away from the mountains than Geneva. He has managed fine with hire cars - and probably saved money, in the long run.

Public transport is much cheaper with an appropriate (depends on your travel pattern) pass, check out FACT SHEET #2 - TRANSPORT - SWISS RAILWAYS . Mobility car sharing is there for when you need a car.

I spend several weeks hiking in Switzerland most summers; have never yet felt the need to rent a car.

As Carlos R so well put it, try a car free life at first. You can always buy a car later if you find that you need it!

We have a car and it really is just a luxury item, we use it at most once a week for shopping, recently we realised it hadn't been used for 6 weeks (hence the battery dying) BUT I would still not like to be without it. For me skiing was made bearable by being able to drive there and not have carry and lug heavy skis and boots on a train (although getting there by public transport is very easy) I just like the fast convenience of going by car. Same for camping, I don't camp light so no way could we camp via pub transport.

But I know many people who don't have a car and get by very easily with mobility cars and pub transport, it's all down to personal comfort, for me that's having a car but I know we could survive very well without one

There are buses that go from the Geneva airport out to the various ski areas around here. I have not noticed them during the summer, but I am sure that they still run a few to accommodate the mountain bikers who come here.

As for local hiking, there is public transportation available to take you out to the Saleve and the Jura areas.

It really comes down to your own personal level of patience and dedication

I try to go skiing a few times every week during the winter, so I do use a car. I know I would not go that often if I had to go through the hassle of public or hired transportation. I also do not live in the city, but just outside of it. Owning a car in the city can also be an inconvenience from what my friends have told me.

If you live in town, then the Gare Routiere organises buses to various mountain ski stations generally within about 1.5 hours travel time from Geneva. Given the location of Geneva, that means you are looking at the French Alps.

If you want a timetable, look here , at the bottom right of the screen in the drop down menu where it says "Choose a schedule" select "Stations in the Alps" and you can download a timetable.

For skiing in the winter, they organise they have a similar schedule except that the times are sorted you can travel out and back for the day, and you can also get the lift pass for the resort at the same time as the bus ticket, which makes it more economical and saves some time when you arrive.

Having said all that, it does rather depend exactly where you end up living and exactly where you want to go to whether the convenience of your own car is worth the extra cost (particularly if you live in town and therefore need to pay for parking too...)

From Geneva, if you choose to ski in the French Alps you will need a car, public transport is very thin. There are mini bus transfers from the airport to resorts but these are €35+ pp each way and designed for a transfer to your accommodation rather than a day return .

You should also be aware if you hire a car from Switzerland to go to France skiing you should have chains with you (very rarely used) but occasionally the French police will close the road and force chains on.

Head off to the http://www.portesdusoleil.com/ for both summer and winter fun.

Not entirely true... See my post directly above yours for more details!

Everything is possible, but trust me they are infrequent, it looks like only two departures a day to my town which is in the heart of the ski area. A car gives you far more flexibility.

Basically in the summer they run it just as a service for getting to and from your holiday destination, whereas in winter they run specific ski buses which work so that you get to the slopes in time for a full day's skiing and then get brought back again to Geneva the same day. The timetables are set up for the different seasons, and although of course it is less flexible than having your own car it is a workable solution.

I used it a few times last year when we were living in the middle of town, and if you are not too far from the station it is very convenient, particularly given the problems of parking in town if you have your own car. However, we've now moved out of town to a small village, and have bought a car...

What is it like taking equipment by public transport? Its easy to hike "light" but I can imagine a train full of skis, boots, poles etc would be pretty hectic. Or do most people hire equipment at the resort?

Car not necessary but you'll find it much more convenient, especially if you want to go longer distances while exploring! But the Geneva area has lots of great skiing close by, and even more convenient with a car.

Like some people mentioned, the Mobility car rental/sharing service is handy. I don't think it's in the US, so consider it to be like Easy Jets for cars- although you won't get the luxury models If you will use a car EVERY weekend, it may be better to find a good quality used car.

Keep in mind new cars are almost 2Xs the price in Swiss as they are in the US- my A3 is literally double the US comp.

Enjoy the slopes!

Renting skis at the resort can be pricey and don't expect very good quality gear! If you have your own equipment use it! Skiing in Swiss with your own gear is one of the "cheaper" perks of Swiss life... just be sure to pack a lunch since the alpine eateries will hit your wallet hard!

Being in Geneva means that there are more possibilies for hiking and skiing in France with very close proximity. Hiking and skiing in Switzerland from Geneva is doable, although it will take longer getting around Geneva and the lake to the Valais where most of the good stuff is. Thus, France is more accessible in my opinion. As others have said though, public transport in France is a joke. I am a big fan of public transport, but not in France.

Living in Geneve is very pleasant without a car. I would suggest not getting a car, and slowly discovering the place with other options, ie. the planned bus excursions to France, the train options in Switzerland, and the mobility car sharing option. After doing this, you will have a good feel for the area and you can decide then if you do really need a car at a later point in time.

Good points! Also, you can befirend some people with cars in the area Carpooling is always a good thing!

The Swiss system is geared to move stuff. For many resorts with direct train links you can send all your bulky luggage (suitcases and skis) ahead of you and pick it up at the rail station when you arrive with your light luggage. Then it's just a matter of getting it from the station to the resort. If you look at car-free resorts, you'll be no worse off than the folks going by car and parking at the bottom (and maybe even better by avoiding the roads). Thinking here of Zermatt, Saas Fe, Betmeralp/Riederalp as quick examples.

I don't agree with this. You can hire very good equipment if you are willing to pay for it. Unless you are a professional or very good skier, I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference.

Boots of course are exempt from this. Get a good pair and look after them.

Your choices for transport boil down to:

1. Buy a car.

2. Go by public transport.

3. Hire a car when you need one for more than a day

4. Use Mobility when you need a car for up to one day.

Options 3 and 4 are usually cheaper than option 1, but less convenient.

Your choices of equipment are

1. Rent at the resort

2. Rent from a sports shop in advance

3. Buy

1. Is more expensive but convenient if you're going by public transport

2. Is cheaper than 1, and can be a lot cheaper if you hire for the season and ski relatively frequently - but more hassle on public transport

3. Is cheaper if you're going to be here more than a few years, and can find some good stuff in the sales!

So it's a balance of convenience against cost, tempered by how often you plan to visit the mountains.

Thank you for all the responses. I think I like the idea of moving, getting to know the area first off, getting used to public transportation, and then expanding my borders, so to speak, to the mountains

One thing I realized is that skiing and hiking are both very much "go until you are tired" activities and if there are only a few busses per day that will be difficult (especially hiking where things can happen to slow down your pace and then you could miss the bus/train).

Perhaps looking for ski buddies to carpool with in winter and having a motorcycle for hiking in the summer is the best bet.

Thanks for the tip that vehicles are more expensive. I could fit a motorcycle quite easily in the moving container we have been alotted since I don't think we are going to move much furniture (much of our furniture would not work well in an apartment) - but is that a good thing to do? Buy a motorcycle here (USA) to bring over? I currently have a scooter and they told me since scooters are so cheap its more trouble than its worth and if I want a scooter in Geneva I should just buy one there - but a motorcycle is quite a bit more $$$ (scooter wouldn't work so well in the mtns )

On the topic of Rent vs Buy (which is off-topic but what thread here doesn't veer off-topic at some point ): I used to be in the "buy boots, rent the rest" camp. I assume its the same in the Alps as here that you can rent nice gear, but now I think buy is the way to go. Simply becuase then you can just focus on having fun, when you rent you spend a bunch of time in the day just getting used to the rentals, how they react in different situations etc (without even mentioning waiting in line for the rentals etc).

.... I find out tomorrow if my job will be willing to let me work remotely or if I would be moving to Geneva without a job and searching.. that info will have quite a big impact on whether we take the offer and move. Job prospects don't look all that rosey in Geneva for foreigners even though I would have a spouse work visa....