Given an initial quote ca. 40k what is the likelihood of negotiating the price?
Does anyone have any feedback on what, if any, negotiated reduction is possible? What are the points with flexibility vs those without?
We're looking to fit a new kitchen and are getting quotes from local shops.
Wow, that's expensive. Standard swiss budget is only 20-25k I think. All appliences should be naturally at least 40-50% discounted from list prices (list prices are fantasy prices for total suckers).
It's worth to ask across the border. Ze Germans can likely cut you a much better deal than any swiss. And with weak euro you'd be a fool to not take it. They can deliver and install too.
Are you speaking from experience?
I know people who have paid well above that, and I don't think you can say there's a "standard budget" when kitchens vary so much in size.
The 40% off list for appliances sounds about right from what I've heard, but the appliances are only a small part of the cost and are anyway the easiest items to just buy elsewhere, so they have to be competetive.
Some percentage off the units and fitting cost would be much more interesting.
Yes, we have some experience having bought a couple of them. 25k is enough for a normal sized kitchen (say, for 6-8m2 room) from a swiss dealer, not shameful for renting out, granite countertops, decent appliances, modern looks. But sky's the limit when it comes to prices. You can have all the luxury you want when money is no object
Chf25k will be a fairly standard kitchen, good quality but not particularly inoventive nor out of the ordinary, something you can see anywhere you go
Thanks all - our kitchen is 12m2, with quite a lot of units and surface, and we're the residents so quality will be higher than basic renting out level, but nothing crazy.
But what I'm really interested in is that question of negotiation - the quotes will be what they are, but what would you go back with as a counter proposal?
What is the markup the sales person has some flexibility on?
We spent about 40K on a kitchen and it had mid-range appliances, mid-range cupboard fronts and low-range granite.
Of course it depends on the size of the kitchen too.
Not sure how people on this thread can simply say a kitchen cost 25K or another arbitrary amount.
To the OP: We chose grade 1 granite counter tops (the lowest grade). My SIL choose grade 9 tops (the most expensive).
It's not easy to tell the difference and may be a point worth considering if you want to save some money.
Our kitchen was 32k
Then there was tiling
Demolishing an internal wall
Levelling floor
Over doubling the size of the terrace door with matching electric blind
2 new windows
1 new door
Lighting
Double check the offer includes all work - including the above if required
We paid 45k nine years ago, average size kitchen, grade 7 granite tops and Miele appliances throughout on a new build house.
Yeah, this is what worries me!
I have a bunch of stuff I'll do myself, but it's always the labour costs that kills you here.
Fortunately our new layout isn't so different from the old one, except filling in a door (which I can do) and some extra sockets and better lights (ditto).
Tiling (splashbacks and floor), and skimming the walls, are probably the main labour costs in addition to the actual fitting.
Our kitchen was 22.000 Euros 2 years ago. 22 sqm, Leicht kitchen cabinets, Miele appliances, granite countertops.
We bought ours in Germany. The company took care of paperwork and taxes. They installed the kitchen but were not allowed to install electric sockets and plug in appliances. That needed to be done by a Swiss electrician.
Was that another 22K CHF?
Probably would have been 🤑. We rewired the whole house so the electrician was already on site.
Have you considered trying to buy a display kitchen? If you find one that will fit without a ton of reworking then you may find yourself saving a ton of money.
This is our kitchen from Sabag. 24k all in.
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The initial offer was closer to 40k. It included all the possible sorters and organizers imaginable. Also appliances at list prices. They really make a killing on those, but were also great to talk with and negotiate. Take your time and you will get what you want for the price you want.
Got mine from
http://www.moebelmarkt-dogern.de/en/home/
Next to Walsdhutt. Very friendly - they organised all the tax issues installation and understood Swiss regulations on appliances. They do this on a daily basis.
Cost about 15k. Had to organise the electrics - about 2k and plumbing 1k. Tiling was done by a friend - but could have been expensive if done by "professionals".
Took a day to install.
Have heard that ikea are ok nowadays
Good idea, but we're pretty clear on the layout we want, and most display kitchens wouldn't be enough units.
Also we have almost all the appliances already (just need a new dishwasher), so a lot of the display kitchen saving would be wasted.
Many of the display kitchens we have looked at have too many units for our kitchen and we actually need to leave some out. Mind you I think I can live without an appliance garage. We also have newish appliances which we can make use of though the cost of removing them, storing them and reinstalling them is not so attractive. We replaced the appliances a few years ago but not the kitchen at the time.
The display kitchens are generally sold with appliances but it can be optional.
The kitchen budget for our new house was 23k (13 sqm), but we went a little over and spent 26k. All Miele appliances, induction hob, fancy cylindrical extraction fan, mixture of drawers and cupboards, and mid-range granite. Very pleased with the end result, I have to say.
I don't think you will be able to negotiate in % terms very much, you will have more saving with reducing the scope of work by DIY (where possible) and managing the project yourself. Ex display items are a good option and you "should" be able to get extra units made to match if it is a bit on the small side.
If the old kitchen layout is close to what you want and the white wooden units are good quality/condition it might be worth considering renovating that. Simply put remove all the internals, doors, bench tops and end panels then order custom made replacements and refit. The limiting factor is a lot of (high quality) products are not available to the average person and it does require a bit of technical knowledge to order, install and refit them. I can assist you with this.
http://www.blum.com/eu/en/ & https://www.shakerdoors.co.uk/ will give you some idea