Orange billing still a mess

I've been a loyal Orange customer because in my opinion they offer(ed) the best value for money with the coverage not being as crap as Sunrise's in the Geneva-Lausanne train corridor.

One thing I used to love at Orange was the amazing flexibility of its billing. You could add options, cancel them, add them back, and the bill was always 100% correct according to my calculations. And trust me, I like checking these things just because I would have loved to find an error.

The second thing I used to love at Orange was the power that the customer service reps have in matters of adjusting your options etc. In the (distant) past I worked as a customer service rep for a few months at an Internet provider and even when the customer was obviously right we could do nothing but have the case transfered to somebody in the back office who would check the error and answer back days later.

Back to now.

I guess we are all aware of the issues that appeared with the bills since February, when they migrated to a new billing platform. I personally received no bills for almost 4 months...

Regardless of the delayed bills, my contract was ending on June 29 and since I was going to leave the country, I called two months in advance (in April) to ask that they change it to prepaid.

Indeed they did on the correct date, however:

1. They charged me 100 francs for early cancellation.

2. They did not apply the monthly discount of 15 francs for the last month (the discount is for signing up for the contract without receiving a subsidized phone).

3. A contact-only option (Go Europe) I had activated on my contact is still there in the prepaid program. I cannot cancel it online and they cannot cancel it through the customer service. As soon as I toped-up I was charged 5 francs for this option.

My conclusion is that the new billing platform is a complete mess, thus I cannot recommend Orange to anybody right now. I hope they bring it back to their previous standards but I won't be there to vouch for this.

On the bright side, I talked to a bloke from the customer service and he told me I am right about both points 1 and 2 (I did not mention point 3 to him because I wanted him to focus on the wrong bill) and he told I should pay the amount of the bill -115 francs, that is 100 francs for the early cancellation fee and the 15 francs of the monthly discount that was not applied.

He was also nice and joked politely, because I pointed out that the discount should only be about 10 francs instead of 15 because my last month was only about 20 days (June 10-June 29) and he said "ecoutez, comme je ne suis pas bon aux calculs, je vous fais 15 francs" (listen, given I am not strong at maths, I will do 15 francs).

Anyway, he assured me I can pay the amount of the bill -115 francs, which means that at least their customer service still has the power to correct obvious mistakes right away and not go through a complicated process of approval.

I am happy to have chosen Orange for my contact two years ago and to have extended for a second year last year, because of the good prices, the 4G coverage in Lausanne and the customer service that was quick to admit and resolve the issues with the last bill being wrong, but I am very disappointed by the fact that because of a rushed migration they are still struggling to offer the smooth customer experience I used to enjoy from them.

I have two outstanding issues with Orange (both related to a recent contract renewal) and I have resorted to complaining rather loudly on their online forums. Within hours I was contacted by a site admin who has promised to put things right. Next step would have been Facebook or Twitter (shudder )

I think there was something like Orange SIM-card in my drawer long time ago. Cannot remember if cut in anguish or not. Is there actually still anyone out there who uses telcom companies for other purposes than internet? I thought it was era of Viber, Voip and Whatsap. Toys like FB and Twitter in my daily use.

And how is that relevant?

I had a contract with 3GB of monthly data allowance, no included minutes, no included text.

Good grief! Haven’t you even noticed all the people around you who have these little narrow boxes plastered against their ears all the time? Not me, I hasten to add. I don’t have a mobile.

LOL orange recently outsourced just about all IT, and it all went titsup, since then they have be blaming a new billing system, what they really mean is a whole new IT team in india who don't have a clue what they are doing.

ETA We also didn't get a bill for 2 months, now seem to get them randomly

I got my bills for May and June yesterday.

I can see the improvement.

I also had issues recently on my 3G SIM contract (which is ending in October), called them and after talking to the manager the guy I was talking to gave me extra traffic booster for free, and mentioned that they were having lots of problems with the new platform.

Beyond that my bills were correct but also delayed, I got 2 of them merged into a single one for example.

for me the prepaid automatic recharge below a certain amount has not worked in months.

pisses me off to get cut off suddenly and then praying that i can pay through MyOrange. it usually does not load anything interesting. no bills, no credit cards, nothing except for my wrongly spelled name that they never fix.

then if i can charge somehow, im so enraged that i accidentally charge the wrong number. poof 30chf gone.

Its now been two weeks since my 2nd sim (for iPad) stopped working, and all they can tell me is that I should be patient because they're having tech difficulties The actual incident started the moment my contract was renewed for another year, the person who did it inadvertently cancelled my 2nd sim and now they are struggling to reconstruct the account to what it was.

Its a real sh*t show at the moment, which is a shame because the 4G service and pricing remain excellent.

I know its not much of a help, but i moved all my business and personal contracts over to sunrise as its not month to month.. its nice to see that

mostly coverage ok and im saving a small fortune compared to swisscom or even orange in some cases... i do like orange generally speaking. but your right sunrise/orange seem to get stuck in a rut sometimes and dont seem

to care much about service as long as they got you via the contract.

hence the reason i went to sunrise simple for the matter if they are screwing me, i can leave or threaten or at least negotiate.. porting into sunrise from 5 different swiss providers was a bit of a challenge with sunrise computers

puking on my address. after nice CS rep in store said all is ok, all ports

went through within 30 min..

Good luck with orange.. im sure will work out ok. but god its annoying yes.

they outsourced to who in india.. please dont say TATA INFO...

3UK customer support was outsourced shortly after its creation

and their CS is truly afwul.. is the CS for orange outsourced to there as well?

Are orange going to turn into SCRIPT MONKEYS useless at fixing things?

One last things about orange my experience last few weeks.

I went into orange shop asked for a prepaid card, gave id, waited and waited,

after 20 min CS REP apologized and said computer issues cant sell you a sim card.

Thats the 6th time ive tried in the last 2 weeks. So seems their IT issues are

not just skin deep...

call me when orange discover fire...

that's something I don't get - in how far does Orange have competitive rates? I have nothing against the provider (although I haven't been with them in almost a decade), but whenever I check their prices online, I have the feeling that they're even more expensive than Swisscom. If I want something remotely comparable to my Infinity L package (which I'm trying to get rid off because it's insanely expensive), I end up with this from Orange:

Unlimited minutes to Switzerland: 60 Fr.

10gb of data in Switzerland: 60 Fr. (unlimited option not even available)

That's 120.- a month with no included call or data volume to other countries and in other countries - both of which I need as I live next to the border to Germany and spend around 4-6 weeks per year of work-related travel in the UK and another 4 weeks abroad on vacation.

So in the end, Orange would be considerably more expensive than Swisscom and also costs drastically more than Sunrise (Sunrise Freedom Max is 100.- per month, includes all incoming calls within Europe, 200mb of data and 200 minutes of outgoing calls + 200 SMS in Europe).

Please note: I'm honestly not trolling here - I'm very eager to move away from Swisscom as finances are tight and I don't need a luxury carrier. Can you guys tell me which subscriptions you have with Orange that are cheaper than the other carriers?

For heavy data usage I am using lycamobile which will sell me

5gb of data for 45francs. when used up add more $$$ buy more data.

they are the ONLY prepaid provider that seems to offer a fair

amount of data at a cheap rate.

swisscom /sunrise/orange pathetic 1/2gb a month for 30-60 francs

a month on prepay are frankly a ripoff.. I just use lycamobile for data

and some calls overseas.. for other stuff sunrise flex monthly tarrif.

voice texts etc.

Yes I know I can get an ok amount of data for ok prices on contract. but im refusing to play that game.

in prepay prices are dropping fast this year.. so i like to keep open options for heavy data usage.

lycamobile have some new eu tarrifs 19-99 a month including data, calls, texts to swiss national and all eu landlines/mobiles.. look at that..

and the 99 option includes some roaming i think have a look.. so far they are the best value ive found...

Prepaid isn't an option for me

I have a business subscription with Orange.

I pay a base price of 85 CHF and it is capped at 115. After those extra CHF 30, calls in switzerland and abroad (EU + US/CA) are not billed.

Also, you get 200 MB and 200 minutes per month (combined incoming/outgoing) while roaming in Europe

Data in Switzerland is still a mere 2GB, but it is enough for me.

The only thing that really pisses me off is that 848 numbers are not included.

I moved from a similar subscription from Sunrise which, at the time, cost 195 CHF (but with 600 minutes outgoing calls while roaming, free incoming calls and 200 MB - too much for me).

The colossal Orange clusterf**k goes on, I got a bill reminder in this morning for a bill on a prepay sim card, they were fine when I called up and said they'd cancel it in 3 days, when they also expect the MyOrange to be back to normal. I'm sure no one is daft enough to pay a bill just because it arrives, but still, something to be aware of.

The futures bright, the futures err something

AND I thought sunrise was bad for blocking my phone port in because

their computer does not understand umlauts in addresses. sheesh..

who's doing the back end computer work? elbonian beavers?

orange sim card of mine recently went dead, even though had 100+ francs

on it, took 11 calls to ORANGE dis-customer dis-service droids to fix it.

And a further 8 days to refund the money. now im just using it for

LD calls to burn the money up and toss the card.

NUMPTIES.. is the swiss telecoms sector more poorly run that a bag

of angry weasels ?

I had the same issue and had to write to a bloke in the Orange support forum, who then seem to have flicked a switch or a setting after which I could see my bills again. Sounds like poor IT testing (me being in IT myself) Guess both the CS and well as CS testing was outsourced