What are EF thoughts on these agencies? Worth it? Waist of of money?
Just registered with Heidrick & Struggles who suggest on their web site your register with https://www.bluesteps.com/Partners/Heidrick.aspx these people. Looked at their web site and started to register only to asked at the end for several hundred CHFs to complete the process.
LOL pay to join an agency, are they having a laugh??
www.jobserve.com is all you need, I have never paid to register with an agent, and never will (in fact I don't think its even legal in the uk)
Complete rubbish. I would never pay to be in the database of an agency for obvious reasons: They earn quite a lot if they can place you successfully, so they already have an incentive to look for good candidates. In short: If you have a profile an agency think it can place, they will work well without paying them. If you do not have the profile they are looking for, paying will not help to change this as it will be your few hundreds vs. some thousands for a successful case.... a bit like the real estate agent story in "freakonomics".
I personally paid once for one of the large recruitment websites for a "premium account". A complete waste of money, never again.
No, no and no. It is unethical and dishonest. The recruitment expenses fall to the recruiter side, never from the recruitee. You shall not pay a third party to be able to work. Probably, it is also illegal in most civilized places.
Do they offer you any warranty, any assurance at all that you will be offered a job? Is there any coaching/outplacement service involved on this?
Seriously, I would report them to the authorities... It is just beyond any justification to try to get money from people who actually aren't earning any and face a very complicated situation.
They earn a 5-digit commission for finding a job for you, so if you have the skills, you should ask them to pay a sign-on fee.
Doc.
As part of my hiring deal, my company paid for a third party to help my wife find employment in Switzerland. So effectively the recruiter is being paid by the candidate's side.
From an employer's perspective you have the opportunity to see candidates completely free of charge, and if you hire them there is no placement fee to pay. Sounds like a winning formula to me, especially in these tough economic times.
Invite them to justify the charge and offer to publicise it on here
That would be even tougher if you are unemployed and have to dig money to get on the market place again. It seems outrageous that the hiring party forces someone to pay them to show them the CV with the hopes of being hired. How much would you be willing to pay your future employer just for acquiring the right to work for them? The market place should be a club which only the richest have the money and the right to get in. Are we now supposed to buy our own future jobs? How much would a dream job cost you? A one-year salary payable to your employer? How unethical can this be? That is why there is laws to protect people and prevent this from happening. I know for a fact that in Switzerland this is not allowed. Have no idea about the UK, but I would guess the same.
Your situation is very special. If i guess correctly, she might have been using the services of a company that is specialized in relocations, not a recruiter .
Nope do not pay them! There are lots of headhunters/placement agencies that wont charge you but the employer!
They are a regular recruitment agency who are totally funded by payments from the candidate's side. They specialize in placing expats and perhaps one of the reasons they are so succesful is precisely because they do not charge the employing party. We have to accept that the bar is a lot higher for newly arrived expats, hence why normal rules may not appy.
I see it as a service with privileges, as unless you're a super high-flyer at the moment, the whole scene seems pretty muted. If you're happy with the idea of paying for someone to actually give a damn about your account - one of 13,000 applications this week - and the angle is somewhat shifted away from the Employer picking up the tab, so be it.
It's almost unethical, but as long as they communicate to you what they're doing, keeping you on their 'To Do Now' list and ultimately getting you a job, it's a deal with the Devil. Which can sometimes work out.
If you can afford the consultancy fees and actually trust them, that is, but I'd demand at least a face to face meeting before handing over the Batzeli ...
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This is a winning formula ? It is illegal in most developed countries, as pointed out above.
There is something like this in Canada...some agencies take an amount to get new immigrants a job as a security guard..and they get nothing at the end.
The problem for Employment Agencies is that they are not being used as much by major employers (unless they have a very specific /confidential need). It easy for employers these day's, they simply post open jobs on their own website and lo and behold 100's of CV's arrive....sorted electronically by key-words and then you have a short list...saving yourself the fee immediately.
I'm really not surprised that Employment Agencies need to raise additional revenue streams, out-placement consultancy, life books.... they are in a hugely declining and outdated industry.
Costs to clear here 229 euros, 279 or 349 depending on the type of membership. Seems they distribute your CV to over 6000 recruiters around the planet.
Hmm, thats 350 CHF just to get a foot in the door.
or upload your cv to jobserve and have them all email / phone you instead. just make sure you have a pay and go sim and a hotmail / gmail email address that you get rid of afterwards
The messages I get from jobup (principally French part of Switzerland) seem to be about 90% agencies; no direct advertisements...
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that's because the whole general job search sites e.g. jobup.com, workopolis.com., monster.com etc are now flooded by agencies instead of companies.
The majority of these agencies don't have job mandates; they simply see what job's are being advertised directly, convert it to their own style, place ad on job search site - see what comes in and then hassle the company saying they have the 'perfect candidate' for the role... the employers generally tell them to **** off, 5% might listen if they haven't found anyone. For the agencies it's simply a numbers game working on a small % chance each time they place the ad for job which they don't have the mandate
How many jobs do they have with your skillset?
I get the daily Jobserve email and am registered with a few Swiss agencies from years ago. I apply when I see something I like and the agencies contact me when a suitable opportunity comes up.
For the people I know looking for jobs at the minute, the agencies such as Swisslinx, Stanford, Ajalon, mba ect contact them when they have a suitable opportunity. There are certainly jobs out there, but many, many excellent candidates are also looking for a new job.
Ok, but MarieZug it is not working no? I have been looking for just over a year now, about a dozen interviews but sadly no offers. None of the agencies you mentioned have come back with anything in that time, absolutely nothing, I have found every lead myself.
But hey that not working either, at least I am not picking up the right leads. In the summer of 2010 my unemployment will finish and I will be faced with the decision of when to sell my house to simply have money to eat and pay my rent, if next spring is as successful as this was, not.
I read that the great majority of jobs are not advertised, so how do companies manage their recruitment? I never been asked to recommend somebody for a new job (except by an agency). I read on the EF that one of the most difficult things to do if you are running your own company is to find reliable people to employ?
Its true that you rarely see senior positions advertised, so how is this working? Surely thru different agencies?