Single/dual-engine piston, MTOW up to max 5700kg.
Region: Zürich
Does anyone know how to get in touch with people looking for a plane co-ownership or existing owners looking for additional people to take in into existing co-ownership?
I would start by checking out some GA flying clubs.
I found one near Zurich Airport in Frasch, the last stop of the number 10 Tram.
The club website is here:
https://mfgz.ch/
I haven’t looked into others yet.
Let me know how you get on, I may be interested myself once I save a bit more money.
rgds,
Babs
Depending on your setup + plane model, I may be interested.
e.g. is the aim to directly own the plane, or setup a verein or AG to own the plane? What model of plane are you looking at? New or secondhand? Hangared where? Registered with which mechanic?
Best is probably to join the club where you will fly and talk to people there.
The idea sounds so nice, but what are the hurdles to learn and obtain a license to pilot such? Unless you're just thinking of having one and hire a pilot when needed ?? I guess I probably have thrown a comment on a thread where I shouldn't
There's not much point in having a plane if you can't fly! It would like buying a car when you can't drive!
Flight-cost splitting is typically for PPL pilots. Commercial pilots will charge quite a lot, while a PPL holder cannot charge for their time (you can contribute to the fuel costs, but a PPL cannot fly for cash)
At the moment, I rent a plane. Cost is around ~200chf/hr flight time inclusive of fuel (2-4 seat) or ~300-400 for a 6-seat.
If I fly an hour, then the rest of the day (parked) is free. So I can fly to Italy on Saturday morning, back on Sunday evening, and pay for 2-3 hours of flight time.
The planes are owned by a group of people, who invested some money and setup an AG. The rental fees cover the maintenance costs, fuel, etc + a small profit.
A colleague of mine banded with some friends, and setup a verein to the same end - main reason that they can reduce the rental fees this way, as there is no profit to be sought. Sadly, they chose a 2-seat pilatus (very maneuverable, very fast... but sadly too small for my use case).
I personally have a liking for the TBM900 - and have been keeping an eye on listings for a few months... it's pressurized, VFR/IFR certified, 6-seat, and goes pretty fast. That said, even secondhand they are >2mio for one in good condition, so I would ideally want to split it 4-way.
it is strange that you don't have a charge for the time it is taken and unavailable!
if your example, you could just have easily flown to italy on Saturday morning and back on Sunday evening the next week.
only for the rest of the day he used the plane
Planes work a little differently from cars: Engine hours are the main cost driver as they dictate mandatory maintenance costs... as in "a lot". Thats why flight time is usually payable by minute while parking time is either really cheap or free.
If you have a car or a boat and your engine makes issues... do you park the vehicle and get it fixed... I guess there must be some reason why plane pilots take this stuff a little more serious
so you don't think it would be strange that you could take the plane, fly it somewhere and bring it back a year later and pay only 200 CHF?
Exactly what Gravity said - there are minimum thresholds per day. In my case, 1hour.
So if I fly to Italy and stay there a week, I would pay for 1hr "fly time" each day that the flight is on the ground (albeit with a small discount to cover the fact that no fuel is used)
That makes more sense!
The funny part is - as plane engine hours are recorded, a plane that sits for a week or two not used, will cost the club MUCH less in maintenance fees than one that is flown 4 hours each day. So the clubs don't mind too much if you take a plane and ground it for a few days in Elba.
Of course, if you take it on Jan 1st and return it a year later having kept it hangared in Timbuktu, you may find your club not wanting to have you as a member for much longer
but the price of using the place ought to be set so that it more than covers the costs of maintenance/depreciation/etc. and so all things being equal, more flying time should be profitable. after all, it also costs money for it to sit on the ground unused.
Very much so - but the price you pay for it sitting on the ground gets the club more profit than the price of it in the air typically.
A plane that isn't flying doesn't depreciate so much - it's not uncommon to fly a 50-60 year old plane. Heck, I'm considering buying one made in the 80s, and it's still half a million francs...
ping me as well with the answers