I also agreed with this - with the caveat, that I’ve seen arrogant cyclists take it upon themselves to put themselves in this position far too early, essentially blocking the traffic.
As I wrote - you need to sort out your impatience.
It’s a modern thing - too much scrolling through Tik-Tok, waiting for the microwave to ping, ready meals, weight-loss pills…
It’s not all your fault - society has shaped you to be who you are and you have been so pliable to this end. We should look at you with pity. I pity you.
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I don’t consider it impatient to not be willing to accept selfish behaviour.
So if I get close-passed by a car driver but catch up to them at the next lights, what should I do:
- Do nothing?
- Punish them for their behaviour?
If the latter, what do you recommend (as you seem to be the expert for punishing other road users who frustrate you).
We’re all human and we all make mistakes, I dont think there’s harm in asking. Maybe the person genuinely didn’t realise how close they were to you.
I already did, upthread, I’m not going to repeat myself for you.
You make it abundantly clear that you have not the slightest interest in an actual dialogue let alone discussion.
Except, in your view, cyclists who don’t make mistakes but do it on purpose.
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That’s alright. I don’t want to discuss this with you.
When you’ve had at least 1/10 of the driving and cycling experience as me then perhaps but until then, it’s pointless.
Not at all comparable. The cyclist knows the driver’s plans well in advance.
WRT single-lane roundabouts where you don’t take the first exit, that’s the official recommendation. I see no use in “adding my own mustard” since it’s neither a matter of opinion nor of adding detail or information. Likewise, the validity of riding in the middle of the lane is not a matter of opinion.
Now, some will argue that it should be different. And maybe it should. But this stuff comes with additional requirements nobody talks about. Starting trivially already existing and perfectly simple stuff like hand signals of sufficient clarity and duration, this is something you will simply not get from cyclists above age 18, so-called grownups. The best you get in reality is the hand 20cm from the hip for the shortest split of a second, a signal even a very attentive driver has little chance of noticing.
Of course there’s additional requirements for driving in the middle of the lane even for a limited time, like speed limits, brake lights and blinkers, and probably a gazillion additional aspects. The fact that even a triviality like a mandatory odometer for the fast e-bikes takes a decade to implement demonstrates that looking in the mirror is entirely out of the question for the various interest groups whenever is’t they who have to act.
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Maybe it’s because they learnt to drive here.
It should be, for motorised traffic:
Mirror - Signal - Manoeuvre.
What it is in 80% of cases is:
Mirror (possibly) - start manoeuvre - signal.
I saw a Tesla today stopped in the middle of the road just before a T-junction. I thought that perhaps they had a flat battery and I nearly offered to help.
Then they indicated as they turned into the side road.
FFS, get it right. It’s hellish for a cyclist when you have to stop at a roundabout because a car driver is too f**king stupid to indicate that they are turning right (first exit) until they actually take that exit.
Many foreigners have commented on this. Why is it so damn difficult for you Swiss-Germans? (It’s not the same in the French or Italian parts)
I know why - Indicating has absolutely no benefit for the driver. It is one of those few procedures which only benefits other road users.
That is why you don’t do it.
So STFU about cyclists until you get your own house in order.
Who cares what foreigners think?
You’re right.
You’re a foreigner.
No one cares what you think.
Except when anyone does anything wrong here, people point out that 25% of people living here are foreigners so it must have been them.
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Talking about vulnerable road users - the Police never did find out who the three motorists were who drove, in turn, over a five-year old boy in Escher-Wyss-Platz in Zurich, December 2022.
Why didn’t they come forward? Cowards? Probably.
Even worse if they didn’t realise they had driven their German Panzers over a child, FFS.
Haunting. A shameful day for Zurich.
The good kind though.
I feel like the forum could use a bit more spiteful and ungrateful foreigners. Perhaps it would bring a bit of the ol’ spirit back to life?
Based on your posts here I’d have to disagree with that.
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Lots of words for no mustard.
Woosh!
Sigh.
Went to Bern today and saw a woman with a child in one of those tralier attachments for bikes go through 2 red lights. And coming out of Bern saw 2 motor scooters go up on to the pavement because they couldn’t be bothered to wait in the traffic queue.
A few years ago husband saw a cyclist in Lausanne go through 5 before he had to stop because the traffic density at the next junction was too heavy for him to risk it.
Maybe it would help if vulnerable road users obeyed the road rules instead of ignoring them.
If everyone obeyed the road rules it would help.
I’m sure you appreciate that not all cyclists go through red lights in the same way as not all car drivers are scrolling through their phones whilst weaving down the road and not all lorry drivers and car drivers are driving over small kids at pedestrian crossings.
I’m sure you also appreciate that whilst some road-user misdemeanors are annoying, and frustrating for you, as another road user, others are killing and maiming people.
I’m sure you appreciate that a fair number of road users on here are breaking the laws judging by the red-light and speeding fine threads of which there are numerous.
I can’t recall you having a moan about appalling driving standards on those threads - ever.
Put more effort into your trolling next time.