I’m pretty sure they have complained about bad drivers on more than one occasion.
Just because it was the cyclists behaving like dicks on this occasion doesn’t mean they haven’t witnessed motorists doing the same at other times.
Please stop referring to other members who post things you don’t like as trolls.
Sometimes it can be hugely funny though. I was following another cyclist on the approach to a red light at a set of roadworks and I could see him trying to calculate if there was enough room for him to skip through with the oncoming traffic. In the end, he thought better of it and came to a stop against one of the red and white barriers, still with his feet clicked in the peddles. It was then like a slow motion disaster unfolding. Red and white barrier gave way, then he couldn’t get his feet out quick enough, as he fell, the pocket of his over-shorts caught on the steel bar and he was utterly stuck.
I did stop and tried to help him but all I could manage was to unclip the single stuck shoe. We had a good laugh about it.
Yes but the difference is that these cyclists behaving “like dicks” are not maiming and killing adults and young kids.
If @MedeaFleecestealer, @anon963486 and @Kingkong want a thread about cyclists going through red lights and otherwise pissing off motorists and how they deserve what’s coming to them then they ought to start their own thread.
Maybe I’ll do one of your thread splits and put @MedeaFleecestealer, @anon963486 and @kingkong 's posts in there.
But if @MedeaFleecestealer wants dialogue on this thread, perhaps she could be as so kind as to explain her reasoning behind:
I’m trying as hard as I can to understand how a cyclist not going through red lights prevents a child from being driven over by three motor vehicles.
As for motor scooters going up on pavements, I wouldn’t put them in the same class as bicycles:
So yes, I’m all for dialogue. I’m not for trolling.
In the specific example given by Medea, the woman had a child carrier attached to her bike. Not going through a red light would mean her child won’t get driven over. Going through it means there’s a possibility, however remote.
I understood her comment to mean that they are endangering THEMSELVES and it’s nothing to do with “killing adults and young kids”. The point is that everyone agrees that they are defined as being “vulnerable road users” so it does come across as a bit of a suicide mission to nip through red lights and generally put yourself (as well as any kids you may be carrying along with you in the trailer) unnecessarily in danger.
Nobody doubts that bad roadcraft exists in all road users but you need to be an idiot either to behave unpredictably or to purposely put yourself in danger on the roads. Just be safe and keep your wits about you.
Yes, that’s fair enough.
It’s especially bad when cyclists go through a red light at a pedestrian crossing.
It’s a common fallacy that it’s only cyclists who go through red lights though (as threads on EF show). It’s more dangerous for a cyclist and a pedestrian when a motor vehicle does that.
I don’t think anyone said “its ONLY” cyclists that do that. However, in the absence of statistics, my personal impression (in Basel and Zurich) is that cyclists tend to do it much more often than motor vehicles. I am also yet to see a car overtaking a stopped tram, however, I see this from time to time done by bikers who conveniently forget that ALL traffic behind the tram stops.
Of course it’s not, you’re being silly now.
There gave been lots of threads about people driving all types of vehicles running red lights.
Yes, but none criticising them.
It’s like the speeding threads - people hoping they can get away with it rather than atoning for their crime.
LOL you have a short memory - I recall as soon as anyone posted that they’d been caught for speeding / running a red / any other motoring offence there was an automatic and obligatory pile-on. 
Find a thread and post it here - so many have been copied across.
Apologies - you are right - here’s a post from such a thread:
Last week there was a reply about another children killed in Basel. More details this week. It seems big truck turning is a deadly combination. "Concerns never taken seriously" - anger after the accidental death of Elior (11) - 20 Minuten
Earlier this week I drove by the Escher Wyss Platz in ZH and saw all the flowers and candles there 
This is an confusing place for drivers and pedestrians. For pedestrians, lanes split only 15m or so before and you’re never sure in which direction a car will go.
For drivers, there is a turn the left, followed immediately by a turn to the right. The people that drive with one hand do not follow the lines and sometimes you’re pushed to the side, or even have to brake. Also, 30m after the child was killed, 2 lanes merge into one. The drivers on the lane that ends drive as if it were a race, which makes everything distracting. Tram tracks also contribute to the confusion here. If a driver is not careful enough will pass beyond the traffic light that ensures the tram tracks stay free. If this happens drivers may traverse the pedestrian crossing while it’s green for pedestrians.
I’ll get hate but intersections like this are hard. It’s better if you get familiar with them on a weekend. Trying to follow the traffic signals or GPS during a work day at school entrance time is a recipe for disaster.
There’s crazy people out there.
It’s not normal that media uses such strong terms (Tötungsversuch / attempted murder?):
The car involved was a white sedan, presumably an Audi.
A white Audi 
The term is accurate in this case. He’ll need a really good lawyer…
(and yes, there are a lot of crazy people out there)
I thought they haven’t even caught said Audi driver?
It was reported they had him a day or 2 later - checking the link posted above it does mention that…
BTW and completely unlinked, has kong posted on here recently?
Ah, ok.
Though I believe the driver who killed the boy on Escher Wyss Platz a whole back has never been identified.
It was assumed they never e en realized they drove over a body.
Not sure what link in particular you’re referring to.
But note that some original suspicions turnned out to be false. Three drivers were quickly identified as suspect (IIRC they themselves called in). But it later turned out that the main suspicion was false and that one driver even got reparations paid out (in the thousands, TIS).
As of last x-mas the investigations were ongoing, with a focus on two other drivers yet what had actually happened was still unclear.