Protection of vulnerable road users from motorised traffic (both perceived and actual)

Doesn’t that all depend on the age and condition of the person, though? An affirmed couch potato in their 60s carrying a bit too much timber hoping to get started on a reformed lifestyle of exercise would probably break out into a sweat and be breathing heavily with a raised heart beat simply walking to the shops instead of driving.

In his/her book that’s “exercise”, at least until the body acclimatises to it and starts to improve.

When I went for a health check a few years ago my cardiologist gave me an absolute beasting on the airbike but I imagine he wouldn’t do that to someone who spends life on the couch.

Obviously. I was talking generally and not about people with specific health conditions. Those people should probably see a doctor before undertaking any new exercise.

Again, that wasn’t covered in the cohort study I mentioned as obesity wasn’t a thing then and the number who were obese but lost that weight and became healthier probably would have been statistically insignificant.

I don’t think that anyone is “anti-cycling”, they just see that they have their faults, same as everyone else. I cycle a lot in the summer and see A LOT more cyclists breaking rules and riding super-dangerously than car drivers. I think the view is that, as a cyclist, one feels that “well, at least I’m not in a car which can REALLY hurt someone, so… what’s the harm if I zip up onto the pavement or through this red light or weave in and out of shoppers/cars/trams?”

They’re probably model drivers when they get behind the wheel of their car (…because 2 tonnes of metal, or whatever) but it may explain why cyclists are more likely to break the rules than motorists.

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Show some respect for the Swiss Federal Government!

I think people might be more interested in what you say if you didn’t say it all in such a preachy way.
And if you didn’t imply that a cyclist not obeying the rules wasn’t really a problem as cyclists don’t cause as many major injuries as vehicle drivers do.

Of course it’s a problem. I think everyone ought to obey the laws when on the road.

But it’s not such a big problem. Can you really not see that?

Would you not think that an action which kills someone would be worse than one which annoys a motorist?

How many cyclists are you aware of who have deliberately run cars off the road?
How many cars deliberately force cycles off the road? Many - two alone on this thread.

Here’s a photo from Twitter. There are many like that:

Caption: Just got rammed on purpose by an impatient driver who followed me onto the pavement! Thankfully I’m okay ! Bike totaled. Driver kept going!

WTF. This was a harmless post about some family cycling event. And you turn it into some holy war between car drivers and cyclists. Get a beer or whatever brings you down and chill.

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WTF.

  • It was ACE who mentioned that these events should be banned as they interfered with his driving.
    I’m commenting on that attitude. Sorry if it doesn’t fit with your world-view.

  • I’m not religious so you can leave out the holy.

  • Most people who cycle are also car drivers.

Did you get a beer? It seems like Ace did a long time ago.

IF it matters, I am NOT in the anti-cycling brigade (nobody here is, really), least of all…entitled!! Let’s say I am not that enthusiastic though and I explained why. Yes I like cars, but that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate events like this.

Actually a few are but as long as they are only pussy keyboard warriors and aren’t actually driving their BMWs into cyclists then I can live with that.

Perhaps we should limit threads on the forum to Israel, Ukraine, and Teslas as anything else remotely connected with Switzerland is obviously not allowed -especially any controversy or passion.

Yes there are some real jerks out there, I don’t think you’ll find anyone here who wouldn’t agree.

I don’t think jerk is quite a strong enough word for someone who knocks a cyclist off his bike and then drives up on to the pavement after him and then drives off.
What would need to happen for the term psychopath to be more suitable?

By the way, the cyclist was Chris Froome, Tour de France winner.

I think you are pissing up the wrong tree. Nobody here remotely threatened cyclists in any shape.

Ah sorry, I am slow and missed the elegant split.

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Nobody wrote that they did.

I wrote that there are anti-cyclists everywhere. I’ve been forced off the road by an aggressive driver as has another person on the thread.

Nobody has inferred that people on this forum would do that.

So who are the anti cycling pussy keyboard warriors on here then in your opinion?

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I’m not playing that game.

Well, one of us may end up ramming a cyclist regardless of having the intention to do it or not. It’s just a matter of crash frequencies. It’s very low for 1 person, but for 100+ people…frequency becomes
interesting.

I’d take the issue with less passion, because if by pure chance you’re the one ramming the cyclist, what are you gonna do?

I actually had a collision with a cyclist some years ago. In my BMW. The paint job cost me several hundred francs.

Driving a BMW, I’d be astonished if you hadn’t had a collision with one.

Who was at fault?