Protection of vulnerable road users from motorised traffic (both perceived and actual)

“Lane” is not a gimmicky term.

And why is it “dangerous”?

We could all do with you making a fool of yourself with your answer.

I usually go into the middle of the lane ahead of roundabouts or traffic islands to prevent getting sandwiched between cars and curbs. That is the safe thing to do. Otherwise I keep to the right with about half a meter or a bit more from the curbs.

Because you’re slowing traffic down and because it makes turning especially to the right more risky.

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Cyclists are traffic.

I can’t believe I have to share the roads with numbskulls like you and KingKong.

Jesus wept.

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It’s recommended, actually. Well, for roundabouts anyway.

Velofahrenden wird empfohlen, sich schon vor dem Einbiegen in den Kreisel in die Mitte der Fahrbahn zu begeben .

(Cyclists are advised to move to the centre of the carriageway before turning into the roundabout.)

Cyclists have dedicated lanes and its not a surprise that it is NOT in the middle of the lane, as I already explained why. Your aggressive and arrogant attitude in the last 3 posts is unfortunately exemplary of a lot of the stereotypes about “hardcore” cyclists.

This is specific to roundabouts, I was addressing Tom’s assertion that he’s entitled to cycle in the middle of the lane anywhere.

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There are lots of times when it’s recommended - to protect the cyclist and prevent entitled drivers from attempting to carry out dangerous manouevers.

Generally though, they should stay on the right, out from the gutter so perhaps 1m out from the kerb.

Having said that, @kingkong and @gaburko must be driving in places I go neither by car or by bike as I never see cyclist in the middle of the lane unless there is a good reason for it.

Again, if they have a problem with other road users using the road then there are alternatives available to them driving.

Not on every road. Probably not on half the roads.

Arrogant - says the entitled driver who…doesn’t know the rules of the road.

Where did I write that???

There are only two people who appear entitled on this thread and it’s you and your buddy @Kingkong.

Personally, I prefer to stay tucked in as much as possible and stay as predictable as possible but that’s just me. It also protects other cyclists that might be going much faster than me (like e-bikes) so they don’t have to swing out too wide to overtake me.

That is in fact more risky and potentially unpredictable than riding half to one meter from the curbs. Where do you go if there suddenly is a pothole or another obstacle?

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Actually the scooters and the e-bikes tend to be the least predictable participants on the road and they often just swerve to overtake the bike in front of them and trams, cars and other participants need to pay extra attention to them especially given the fact that scooters are often used by teens who are in general less predictable.

That is my “tucked in as much as possible”. Obviously I don’t ride over drains and in the gutter.

Yep, I’d totally agree with this. I don’t tend to drive often in the city but I feel sorry for the cars/trams/buses that have to deal with scooters riding two-up at full speed. Mentalists.

I would not have described that as “tucked in as much as possible”, but I guess then we are in agreement.

And e-scooters should be banned.

They are banned in the UK.

Privately owned e-scooters in the UK are banned from public roads and pavements.

Rentals are being trialed in some places. I think that’s worse as many riders will have no experience.

The fact that they have to rely on such semantics to try and try and make their point says much about the average entitled cyclist.

Not too mention the wankerish “I have every right to ride in the middle of the lane!” attitude. Yeah, enjoy the consequences of that.

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Is that a threat?

Not at all. I’m just pointing out, just because you have the right to do something it doesn’t always mean you should (especially when you’re acting like a dick about it)

You probably have the right to walk into a pub and tell everyone you’d fancy sleeping with their wife, but I don’t think it would be a good idea either.

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Should I, at this point, mention that it’s better to have the right to do something and do it (cycle in the centre of a lane when safety suggests it’s the best course of action) than not have the right to do something (close-pass cyclists to punish them) and do it anyway.

Remind me who’s acting like a dick here. You need to watch that video I posted a couple of days ago. You remind me of the irrational old lady near the beginning of the video who sees cyclists as the greatest threat to them.

I’m going to post an image which will probably trigger you and your buddy Graburko - a cyclist cycling in the middle of a lane: