Public Primary Schools [Basel]

Hello,

My son will go to primary school shortly.

Anyone can advice which school in Basel city (especially Klein Basel) is the best? I tried to find any school ranking but there is no available on the market and education department don't want to provide the info as well.

Thank and best regards,

Raf

Are you aware that you don't get to choose but will get allocated one depending on where you live?

Or, were you thinking of moving?

In my experience, the actual teacher your son will have is more important than the school and you won't get a a choice there.

Yes I am aware of this. I leave with my family in Kleinbasel and some people said the level of education is lower here in comparison to Grossbasel or BL. Thus we are considering to move to other location. I was thinking to check previously schools before. But as you mention also lot will depend on the teachers...

The quality of the teacher really is the luck of the draw. We've lived in both Binningen and Pratteln. With three kids, we've been through a lot of teachers. Some were great, some were lousy. If location had any bearing, I'd say that Pratteln (which has more non-Swiss and is generally less wealthy) was marginally better. Poor areas sometimes attract more dedicated teachers, it seems!

So I suggest you choose where to live based on other criteria.

I'm interested in this as well as our 7 year old doesn't speak German. There are a lot of sites that say schools provide intensive German lessons to expat children, but does anyone have first hand experience with this?

I don't, but I would say that contact with kids your child's age is just as or even more important than German lessons. That way s/he can integrate socially while learning the language without the "homework" aspect classes might include. Make sure to introduce your kid to the kids in your neighborhood and let them interact together as often as possible. Also interact with your kid's classmates' parents, that way you will learn what they think is important for their kids, get affiliated with Swiss parents' customs (e.g. sending kids to school on their own instead of driving them etc.) and your kid won't run the risk of becoming an outcast due to nonexistent parental interaction.

Kids learn languages incredibly quickly and a by-product of their interaction with the neighbors' kids and their classmates is that they don't only learn to speak, but also how to deal with conflicts in German with hopefully as little parental intrusion as possible.

How it is arranged depends on how many children they have that need it. In some areas they actually put kids into special programs for the first few months with other foreign kids to teach them the basics, once they can follow lessons,they are then integrated into regular classes, they may or may not still receive extra German lessons, depending on their level of German. In areas with few foreign kids they get pulled out of regular classes for lessons, this is what happened with my kids. For the rest of the classes they just follow as well as they can, and they learn really quickly!

We are expats who are living in Muttenz. There isn't ranking system in swiss schools, there is only mouth-to-ear method. Normally the area where has more educated people, the better quality school has. The elementary schools in Muttenz have the special German course for non-German native speaking children every week. Every year, the main teacher changes as well.

My kid in the elementary school gets three hours a week of free private lessons via the school system - pulled out of regular class for "high" German. My kindergartener doesn't. The quotation marks are there because the high German my kid learns has an extremely strong Swiss accent and is loaded with helvetisms.

Teacher speaking for gymnasium:

And it will stay that High German for quite a few more years. Some teachers take their linguistic duty more seriously than others. Don't count on the school administration to do anything about it if the High German is too weak by your standards.

It all ends well, considering one could expect worse, but the issue is taboo in the public debate. The level in High German is not bad at all overall but varies a lot from student to student due precisely to the different interpretation of what good High German is during their whole school carreer and in each family.

My son went through the Kindergarten and primary system in Basel Land. (My ex is Swiss so he is bi-lingual, therefore language was not an issue)

As a UK teacher what I noticed was the following.

1) There are no centralized or even school wide policies, missions statements or pedagogical ethos - seem to be no standards control within schools or across schools

2) Instead it all depends upon the teacher in the classroom

I have experienced some good teachers and some not so good.

In the secondary schools in Switzerland students take the Matura.

What is something new for people from the UK is that there are no centralized bodies of academic assessment.

In practice this means that Swiss teachers write their own tests for the Matura.

I have a little bit of background in assessment and this does surprise me as writing a reliable and valid assessment is no easy task.

In terms of English teaching - what I have seen is that although some teachers are open and do a good job - they are missing critical background on really testing a language. So, for example, they omit the importance of context, co-text and the whole area of discourse analysis in English teaching and instead focus more on translation and very rule driven grammar points (which interestingly often end up defying rules)

Some teachers are really open in the public system and others are closed and defensive and resent any kind of dialogue about what they are teaching either from students or parents.

As someone else said - it is a lotto. Luck of the draw! And down to the individual teacher

1) There is enough documentation coming from the cantonal education administration, don't worry. Nobody will however identify the jargon you employ. This gets lost in translation. But it doesn't mean we don't know what we're doing. It might however very well not be what is fashionable somewhere else, but guess what, it most probably is on purpose.

2) It always all depends on the teacher in any system. The controle of individual teachers might be less here than in other countries, but nowhere is a system not dependent on the individual teacher's way of dealing with guidelines.

3) Relax, it's not dangerous to trust teachers even if like all human beings, things happen. The level of education is high, with or without whatever you are missing.

Dear Faltrad,

I was not being critical of the Swiss public system just sharing my own experience as both a parent and a teacher.

With regard to the teaching of English what I'm talking about is not at all jargon.

Here is a non jargon clear example:

My son's English teacher has told him that it is wrong to say "Would you like any cheese"?

This is because the teacher is teaching "some" and "any" in a tight, rule based approach based on whether a noun is countable or uncountable.

That is OK as a start for beginners.....

But - it ignores the fact that native and advanced speakers break these "initial rules of learning" all of the time - when what they say becomes more context dependent.

If a teacher is teaching at Matura level and writing tests- then those test had better recognize the wide ranging uses of language beyond the initial rule based ones. The tests had better recognize that the word "pushchair" and "stroller" are both correct. But unfortunately I've seen the opposite happen.

Writing good tests is really not an easy thing to do which is why Cambridge, AQA, Pearson, etc examination boards have full time academics writing tests and exams which are valid and reliable.

If a child is dropping points because the teacher is ill informed - then sorry, that has to be said - and yes it does happen here because tests are written by the teachers.

I have heard such things from so many English speaking parents. One lady (who is from the North of England) was told that her son dropped points in English because the teacher told him he could not pronounce a word properly. There was nothing wrong with the way he pronounced the word apart from it was with a Northern UK vowel sound rather than a Southern UK vowel sound.

As I said - there are some great teachers here, I've worked with them and I'd be delighted to have my child in their class - but there are some pretty awful things I've heard too. And of course, there are poor teachers everywhere.....

One of the main points of surprise for me was, is and continues to be the fact that teachers can just write their own Matura tests......How are there agreed upon academic standards across Switzerland? As a teacher and a parent with a son in the Matura track I genuinely would love to know this (in a clear way - not just "trust us"

If you want to complain that English teachers can't speak proper English, I gladely join you with two complaints of my own: German teachers who don't really speak proper High German and French teachers who don't speak proper French. We can make it a European complaint too, don't forget Norway, that's MY experience.

But this has nothing to do with pedagogical or didactical issues.

Faltrad - OK, I hear you. But that's still not answering the heart of my post and main question which is about testing, its reliability and validity within the Swiss system at Matura level.

How are academic standards at Matura level standardized across Switzerland - or even between cantons - or even between schools? How is the Matura controlled for reliability and validity? I realise no system is perfect. But given that teachers write their own Matura tests and these tests determine the future of students (University entrance etc) I am really interested in hearing about how these difficulties are addressed.

There is no answer to your quest. This is Switzerland. They don't do nation-wide standards. They can't even have the same brands of condoms in the whole country, so why do you expect them to agree on education?

Nobody considers Matura in Fribourg and in Vaud as really equal. No Zürcher will ever admit that an Aargauer did a proper matura. No Berner will take the Jura matura seriously. It's endless. But that too won't be discussed publicly in the presence of foreigners.

Guess what, it's on purpose. Lesson in Swiss psychology:

Schools make a point to be Swiss people's school, foreigners have to adapt. This is why there is extra local language but no provision for other languages. If you speak English natively, good for you but that won't make you a good Swiss citizen, so it is of no interest for education. It's brutal, but it explains a lot. A lot. I was told off (by people that had no authority to do so) for not having enough Swiss authors in my courses. Same reasoning as above and you'll understand the whys and the hows. For info: my students now have to read Chessex in one of my French classes... if you know the guy, you'll understand the irony of the aßßhole's complaint. It was really funny to see her face when I thanked her for her suggestion in public.

People managed for quite a while without standardised testing. Personally, I think it's overrated and relied on too much. I'd much rather testing that takes into account regional differences. Our else you wind up with a system like the UK where the testing heavily favours students in the South East.

Also, please forgive typos, I'm responding from my phone.

I suppose you will have to start from here ( EDK | CDIP | CDPE | CDEP ) in order to find the answer to your question(s).

But guess what? The goal to reach comparable education levels among the cantons will not be implmented by the simple technical mean to use the same exams for everybody all over the entire country.

Thanks Faltrad for your answer. I've lived here for 15 years (was married to a Swiss man for 10 years and speak/ understand the dialect) and my son was born here.

I see what you're saying in your answer.....Swiss schools educate and turn out students who will be/are good Swiss citizens. This makes sense.

I've never had the opportunity to really understand the way the Swiss matura works as a national qualification - but what you say also makes sense insofar as it isn't really a national qualification as such but reflects the regional and local ways that Switzerland exists and is fairly independent in that way.

Also having been part of a Swiss family for over a decade I can see what you're saying regarding the local and regional bias between cantons.