I have been told that i need Ci permit in order to work as i'm a legitimation card holder. My father works for a permanent mission here in Geneva and i have applied for a job at McDonalds.
My questions are as follows:
1. I have been told by the office de la population that i need to fill in the "M" form but i'm confused as the person there was not in the mood to help anyone and i was the last one to arrive, just before the closing time. So my question is that, is it me who is going to fill in the form? Is it me or my father? because at the bottom, i need information from my employer (signature etc...).
2. If my father decides to cancel the legitimation card and finds a local job, would i lose my job immediately as Ci permit won't apply on me anymore and i'll lose it.
3. Is there any other possibility for me, in case my father surrenders the legitimation card? Which permit would i apply, as i'm not a student at the moment so i can't have the student permit. I'm 19 years old btw.
1. You can ask for a Ci card at any time if you want access to the local employment market, however you will start to pay taxes. You also need to return your legitimisation card too. http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/...ir/mandi1.html
2./3. If your father's legitimisation card is cancelled for whatever reason, your Ci is cancelled too immediately.
Then you are on your own, as you are an adult. Even if your father finds a local job (which is not straightforward, as he has to satisfy the usual CH rules that apply to his nationality, and his time as a diplomat doesn't count), he cannot bring you in the country under family regroupment as you are an adult.
Also, if you get to 25 years old the Ci is cancelled too, then you are also on your own.
Your employer needs to fill the form as required and send it to OCP together with your card.
Once you're on your own
a) if you're employed you have to request (supported by your employer) a change of permit to a B permit (though if the salary is deemed insufficient to support yourself this will be refused)
b) if you're not employed and studying you can apply for a student permit provided you have the necessary financial resources.
Ok so i just talked to my employer and she caused more confusion than ever. Apparently i require an attestation before sending the form with my card. She said that i either need to talk to my father's embassy for the attestation for Ci which didn't make sense to me as i think that the attestation for Ci permit would be given by swiss embassy, no?
I'm confused whether i have to talk to the swiss embassy or my father's embassy for attestation.
EDIT: Ok so i talked to the Swiss mission and they gave me a form to fill in order to apply for the attestation so i guess, i get the attestation from.
Well, my employer said that all they need is the M form with the attestation and then they'll send it themselves to the office de la population or whatever the address is on the form, then within 3-4 weeks, my employer will be sent, the permit, which i'll then get.
How many of you are working on Ci permit? What's the procedure? I have been applying for internships around Geneva but my applications are getting rejected and I suppose that's because the procedure to obtain a Ci permit is longer than working on B permit?
A Ci permit is one issued to the family or spouse of someone working for an international organisation, I think it it also applies to people who work at CERN.
Holders benefit from different tax laws to the rest of us, but years holding one don't count towards any later application for a proper C permit or citizenship.
Yes, a Ci permit does count towards citizenship AT THE MOMENT.
“Whereas, at present, holders of a legitimation card issued by the DFAE or a Ci permit are entitled to apply for naturalisation, in future only holders of a settlement permit ( permis C ) will be able to do so. We remind you that legitimation cards issued by the DFAE and Ci permits are not deemed to be equivalent to a settlement permit ( permis C ).”
However it seems only a carte de legitimation will count in future under the new naturalisation law and the requirement to have a C permit hasn’t yet been modified.
“Early in 2014, having become aware of potential changes, we highlighted our concerns at a number of levels; this received coverage in Le Temps and Radio Suisse Romande. Years holding a carte de légitimation will now explicitly count towards the ten years, something the original draft had omitted. However, the C permit requirement was not modified as for some parties it was emblematic to the reforms.”
I was more concerned about finding a job on Ci permit. The deal with this permit is that it's the employer who applies for Ci permit. So first you need to find an employer who is willing to go through the lengthy procedure. I was wondering if there is currently someone working with a Ci permit and may be willing to shed some light on how to obtain one or whether jobs really detest that permit as the procedure is quite long?
The link below shows the various types of permit, Ci is listed towards the bottom and that reference contains a second link to the Service Etrangers.... you could try contacting them, they're really the best authority on how to apply for that particular permit and how long it'll take.
If your spouse/parent is already working here for one of the internatonal organisations or possibly CERN then their HR office should also be able to answer your questions.
I see no reason why it would take long to process but remember that you'll lose your permit if their job ends as a Ci permit is dependant on the holder of the Légitimation Card being employed in Switzerland.
1 The permanent residence permit is granted for an unlimited duration and without conditions.
2 Foreign nationals may be granted a permanent residence permit if:
a. they have resided in Switzerland for a minimum of ten years in total on the basis with a short stay or residence permit and have held a residence permit without interruption for the last five years; andb. there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 62.
"The legitimation card issued by the DFAE does not give its holder any particular rights with respect to continued residence in Switzerland upon termination of his or her official functions. However, for many years the Swiss authorities have followed a practice facilitating the continued residence in Switzerland of international civil servants and their family members in this situation, allowing them to be granted a residence permit or a settlement permit (B or C permit) in certain cases. "
My layman's interpretation:
a. The time spent in Switzerland under a Ci permit does not count towards the time needed to obtain a C permit, according to Swiss law.
b. The Swiss authorities may, however, decide, at their discretion, to grant a Ci holder a B or even a C permit when the Ci permit expires, based on the CERN comment.
That last article says ten years of Ci, not the five years pickles mentions.
I know several people at CERN and WRO who will be a few months shy of that when the new law becomes active and they're understandably annoyed as they were banking on finally getting the security of a full C.
CERN is apparently talking to the Swiss authorities to try and get exceptions for people in that situation but aren't holding out much hope.