Recruiters who don't respond to applicants. Common?

I don't know what line of work you're in, but in my industry the presentation of work is extremely important, not just to make the intellectual capital contained in it more accessible, but as a mark of respect to the client. If I interviewed someone who had the attitude you just described, they would have been out the door before they could say another word.

Sorry, but before you waste more time, I think I need to explain some stuff to you:

- the people aren't against you because you are from the US. But they know that it is very difficult to get you a job if you are non-European. Not because Swiss people don't like non-Europeans, but because the employment laws are set up in a way that there are fairly high hurdles to employ you (while it is a piece of cake to employ a Schengen-national.)

Advice: You are a difficult candidate for a recruiter. Recruiters are not interested in you as a person, they want to close deals fast - which will be difficult with you and take a longer time than with the 300 Million Eu nationals out there. So I think you better focus on applying at companies directly - if you manage to convince an employer directly, they are more likely to go the extra effort to get your work permit sorted.

- don't get fooled by the RAVs name - they don't get you a job. Never. They only make sure that only entitled people get money from the social insurances, not much else (if your lucky, you manage to talk them into paying for some education, for example a language course).

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Good advice on the Goethe; have already been looking into that. Good to have.

Knew before I went there they wouldn't get me a job. Was informed by Swiss friends about the organization before going. Went there for any useful information it could provide about job services (i.e. list of recruiters, headhunters in the area), and to find information about the free language course.

I know how frustrating it can be when you are job hunting. It's something that I really don't like. And it is a tough game, I have been through it and it can be so annoying when you simply do not get a reply after all the work you put into writing a good CV and cover letter. Having said that, I have been in recent years in a position where I had to hire people and sometimes it is not so black and white. Whereas I will always send a email (letters simply take too long) to people who apply for a job vacancy that has been advertised and for which they more or less met the specifications, you simply do not have the time to reply to all the "spontaneous" letters you receive. I am putting spontaneous between "" as it is often clear that they are only sent out as in order to demonstrate their willingness to the job office and to avoid that they can lose their allowance.

Some people also send out photocopied standard letters or do not bother to double-check the writing of the company name. In that case I do not feel that I should invest my time either. Similar situation I had when we needed a native Swiss German speaker and received loads of CVs of people with only basic school German.

Hi,

first of all I would like to say hello to everyone since it's my first post in this forum. I've been looking around for a long time but never written anything. Anyway currently I live outside Switzerland but I would like to move to Zurich and I am looking proper job. And since I don't know how exactly job searching process looks on Swiss market I have one basic question. If I send job application to the company is it normal that I don't get any reply? Obviously I don't mean positive but negative reply.

I had few situations that someone answered me that the hiring process was still ongoing for the position I was interested in ad that they still ask me for some patience, and then no other emails for 2 months.

The other situation was that I applied for the job which offer was on the head hunting company page and they answered me, the person from this company ask me to call them to discuss my profile etc. During this call this person has promised me to send me the details of the company to which I should send my application but no mail so far and it's already 2 weeks. Of course I've sent them email asking if they are going to send me the information they'd promised to but no reply.

I am just really confused, because it's not my first job and I have the experience in searching job abroad but this is the first time when someone treats me like that. Is it normal in Switzerland? Or is it just my bad luck?

Have a nice day!

I am in Switzerland and looking for a job. As the headhunters receive hundreds of applications they only generally respond if they see your profile suitably matches to the job they need to fill. In this case they will email or discuss more with you if you are suitable.

I hope that helps.

Good luck

Not replying to job applicants is often the way for smaller firm to behave, as they have no reputation to protect. With the big companies it pure incompetence, as it erodes their reputation.

i see many adverts with " only successful applicants will be contacted"

IMO, they can successfully f*** themselves. They expect applicants to have the perfect, impeccable CV...and yet many times they fail to follow the most basic rule of human interaction.

hey people, this is Switzerland... what did you expect?

You should be grateful they don't bill you for the time they spent reading your CV!

'Marketing' must be a whole different world of delicate flowers! For IT vacancies you're most unlikely to hear anything unless they're interested in your CV. This is not a Swiss thing at all. I've even been for interviews with (albeit extremely rude) blue chip British companies in UK, who only bothered to reply because either the agency or I hassled them.

There is also the small problem of trying to replying to every candidate.

Lets say you have 4 positions open, and you receive 200 applications for each one. That's 800 CV's to review. Nobody, not even in the big orgs, have the resources to reply to every unsuccessful candidate.

To do this, they'd need another bod in HR. Which is another position open, and another 200 applications...

And that's a conservative case. A high profile position can attract 1,000 applications, and even if 50% of those were total dross (written in crayon, etc), that's still 500 CV's you need to discriminate the ideal candidate out of.

So - like it or not - only successful applications get contacted. Not even the best candidate gets a look in, because sometimes they fail one of the basic HR filters used to get the list of CV's down into the double digits, yet may have exelled in the role. It's life these days.

My experience has been: if they are interested, they will reply to you very fast, even just to say "we are looking at it". This has been for me universally valid in a number of countries, including Switzerland. Furthermore, if they are really interested and they really need your profile, hurdles such as work permit, etc. can be overcome.

I have no experience with recruiting agencies, but I applied to tons of jobs when I was looking. Like everyone, I received many rejections, with or without ackowledgment, but the jobs I got, were the ones where: I was focused - applied to very specific jobs in my field, but was open as far as location at the beginning (now, with some years' experience under my belt, I have a higher freedom to pick locations I like) There was a link between the recruiting manager and a reputable external party - once I applied for a job and presented as recommendation letter a reference of someone who was a client of the person above. Score. I previously had an internship/volunteer/unpaid project in the field and had made contacts that became useful later. I found that, in my field where there is a worldwide network and people more or less all know each other, this kind of contact/networking helps. When I started as an entry-level position, I had done a 3-month unpaid internship in my field (not much, but a start) and the boss at the internship was a reputable professional in the field whom my prospective employer who offered me the job later knew and appreciated, and had the chance to work with in the past. When I subsequently changed jobs, but always in the field, it was always through contacts.

To our Silicon Valley poster - good luck, it's not impossible, but lots of work. That entry-level job I was mentioning above...I got it in the Silicon Valley, as a foreigner needing work visa. As I said, hard but not impossible. While you keep applying for jobs left and right, would you consider also volunteering with someone in your field who might give you leads and contacts that may turn out to be useful? Again, good luck!

P.S. Silicon Valley rocks!

If you think CH is bad come to the middle east (moved here recently from CH), you will learn what it is to be treated like trash. I have been in CH doing a job search before and have found most of them would at least get back with a NO or asking questions regarding your work permit.In the middle east your resume is just lost amidst the Terrabytes of data. I think all over the world the recruitment process is like that.

Your expectations don't correspond with the Swiss perspective of obligations to you. In short, a Swiss recruiter generally only feels they have an obligation to get back to you if they are interested.

This "engagement model" can also apply socially in general.

Hope your job search was fruitful.

Yeah, well my problem was (with a specific IT recruitment company) that they found me two times with two different job offers; in both cases, I got a LOT more skills covered than they expected. Then we had some general mail conversations about the details, then both recruiters disappeared. I even saw one position re-advertised a few days later, and asked my recruiter, what's my status. She simply told me, the position has been filled... If something, THIS is unpolite.

Speaking of which, anybody have a recommendation for good head hunters in the middle east.

I am sick and tired of sending my CV out and being bombarded by companies wanting me to pay a sum for the connection to a potential employer.

I have not been unemployed for almost 30 years, so the past three months have been a shock to the system, are there no ethics on this rock anymore?

So a different issue to non- response then. The scenario is therefore unhappy with the response/engagement received, rather than no response at all. Quite different. I guess we've addressed the OP issue, do we now close the thread and open another on inadequate responses instead?

Ethics don't come into it really. If I wish to pay for an introduction that's my business (or loss potentially). Otherwise the dating industry wouldn't exist for example, and not all dating services link their fees to any "results"......similarly there's no guarantee of results for recruiters.

Speaking of ethics, have you ever compensated a recruiter financially for refusing a job offer they helped to arrange in your 30 years of employment?

Have you considered incentivizing the recruiter once you land a position? What was the response. As ever, caveat emptor/buyer beware.