Hi, we just moved to Zurich from abroad, and wanna apply for residence permit. Yet there are some confusions.
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Both my wife and I are EU citizens. We have no plan to work here. Just want to enjoy life. That is, live off our past gains.
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3. Are we self-employed even if we have no plan to work? Also, we want to reserve the right to work here even though we have no plan to work.
2. Should we apply for it separately or together?
It seems the dependent needs to get A1 in German, so maybe applying separately is better?
Since the bank account is under my wife's name ($ millions), can I use it to prove that I can support myself financially?
Do I also need to show marriage certificate? We married in non-eu country and don't bring it with us.
3. Do we need to get basic health insurance now?
I tried to get health insurance here yet it requires residence permit. So...
Thank you.
No, you’re not self-employed. You’re classified as retirees and as such will not be able to work. Whether it’s possible to change that later I don’t know.
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home…ml#-1597848920
Not sure the language requirements apply for retirees. Didn’t see anything in the FAQ’s there about it.
She can use it to prove she can support you financially.
You may need the marriage certificate, yes. It would also probably need to be translated into a Swiss language and apostilled. Best check with the gemeinde on that though since I’m not 100% sure.
You should have 3 months to arrange your health cover before you’re put on to the gemeinde’s default insurance scheme. Make sure you add accident insurance to the health insurance coverage - this is usually something your employer provides if you work here, but people who don’t work have to add it to their health insurance policy.
Thank you so much.
That is “residence permit for non-working persons”. However, I want to reserve the right to work. Is that possible?
If not possible, then can I change the residence permit type to the normal one when I plan to work?
Also, for this type of residence permit, “Registration has to be done 14 days after arrival at the latest.” Yet I have already been here for 80 days. Shall I take a bus to germany then come back immediately to apply?
Danke.
Probably not. A retiree permit does not allow to work.
If you are already here for 80 days then yes, better hurry up and get your permit and health insurance sorted out.
If you want to work, apply for a regular permit that allows that.
As an EU citizen you have de facto the right to work provided you have an employment contract so it’s a non issue to update your B permit once and if you start work.
So, need I physically go to Germany border then come back in order to fulfill the 14 day requirement to submit the application? Even if my rental started two months ago and is still valid?
Huh? Why? You are living here you say. Go to your townhall and apply for a permit.
No, because atm you’re here as a tourist and can be for up to 90 days. So you have 10 more days to start the registration process so get cracking!
You will have to show your rental contract. They might fine you for late registration. This will be around CHF 200.
If you want to work you simply change your permit. As an EU citizen this is one of your rights given by the FMOP agreement between the EU and Switzerland.
Thanks. I wonder if the “late registration fine CHF 200” has any negative record so it may impact your life in future?
Would they also make OP sign up for Swiss health insurance and backdate it to the start?
Can’t we be tourist for three months without insurance?
I am at times so baffled or live such a different life than some...
What is this? You packed up and moved here 2.5 months ago with no clue as to when to register/how to get health coverage etc?
Maybe if you only have a temporary accommodation. But your rental agreement goes back a few months, so as ASitUS says, it's possible the authorities will say you intended to stay long-term from the start.
And no, a 200 Fr fine will not impact future permits. It's an administrative fee/slap on the wrist.
Yeah I think everyone has certain level of procrastination.
Great, so helpful thanks.
To my mind it is not clear that they will even be able to stay in the end. Neither the FMOP with Switzerland nor the EU directive gives people the right to up sticks and go hang out in another state contrary to what some people think.
You have a right to:
- to go to another state for the purpose of employment
- Establish a business in that state that is viable in that economy
- You have a right to move for family reunification provided you will not be a burden on the state
- to retire to another state provided you are of retirement age and you have sufficient funds to do so.
After five years you have a right to apply for permanent resident status and if successful you are no longer reliant on the agreement.
Everything else is at the discretion of the host state. It will depend a lot on how flexible a particular Geminde is.
Also what the OP considers sufficient funds to live on might not be the same as what the canton requires to grant such a permit.
This contradicts what is published on the SEM website:
https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/sem/en/...staetige-e.pdf
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ml#-1597848920
According to the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons (AFMP) between Switzerland and the EU, citizens of EU/EFTA member states have the right to enter and stay in Switzerland without having to take up gainful employment (e.g. retirees, students, other economically inactive persons and family members). The following conditions must be met in order to obtain the right to live in Switzerland:
Economically inactive persons must have sufficient financial means to ensure that they do not become dependent upon Swiss social security benefits (welfare) and therefore a burden on the host country; Economically inactive persons must be fully covered by health insurance (all risks, incl. accident insurance).
Financial means are deemed adequate if they exceed the welfare entitlement threshold established under Swiss law. Here, Swiss Welfare Conference (SKOS) guidelines serve as the main frame of reference. Calculation of financial means also includes pensions, benefits and allowances paid by other social insurance providers.
The bar is pretty low to obtain any sort of EU permit these days