Indeed, if people think the doc must pay back his education. What to do with all people that got tertiary education and not working in their field?
I know at least someone. Immigrant background, parents had a hard life in Switzerland in the 1990s, menial jobs, discrimination, hardship. Child born in Switzerland goes to university under parental pressure and finishes a bachelor. But, the “child” has an artistic side and now making a living out of it in another European country, totally unrelated to the bachelor. Should child pay back the bachelor to Switzerland?
So, cases like this child, the FIRE doctor or the housewives. What to do with all people that got tertiary education and not working on their fields? Statistically, things look fine, I’d say do nothing about the pay back, only improve the working conditions of doctors. Driver of heavy trucks are limited to 56 hours per week, and max 90 hours in 2 consecutive weeks because society don’t want them to be sleepy and hurt someone. A similar system could be applied to doctors.
This. There seems to be a mentality in a lot of professions of “well I had to suffer through this so you do too” and the medical field is one of them. I’m not saying we need to coddle everyone as they work their way through the ranks, but how much does a anyone really learn/absorb about a job when they’re totally sleep-deprived? As for paying back, the US has a program (or had, maybe Trump got rid of it) that allowed people with student loans who went into certain professions to be forgiven some of those loans after a certain number of years in the public sector. I think for teachers they had to work at least 10 years before any loans were forgiven.
In many professions you have to ‘pay your dues’, but I think it also makes sense to put in the crazy hours at the beginning when you are young and have the energy and can accelerate your learning and career.
Only issue is that statistics tell that it makes no sense to put in the crazy hours when young. No acceleration in learning, only patients get hurt and docs get burnout.
Many articles show that sleep deprivation in laboratory and field studies has shown a negative effect on the performance of residents. Reduced performance due to sleep deprivation may be associated with increased errors and contribute to adverse events when fatigued members of staff participate in the care of patients.
PS, it would be nice if all jobs were like office jobs where everything can be fixed if you do a mistake. So, it’s “safe” to put on the crazy hours in accounting, engineering, coding, banking…or similar jobs because there’s other people doing QC, and no one gets hurt if a mistake is found a day or a week later. But working in operations is different, people do get hurt. Regardless of flying an airplane, working in a hospital, driving a big truck, being in control of a chemical or a power plant…shit matters!
I’m jealous. I’ve stepped on the IT path, but it wasn’t any lighter to start than a doctor’s. Few years lost on studying hard, almost skipping social life entirely. Then some jam jobs to build up your career, still studying hard to keep up with the tech. I’ve only stared earning on his range (to afford net saving 7k monthly) close to my 40, but what can you do when you’re born in a wrong time in a wrong place. Honestly, nowadays every kid, even from poor family can get some sort of computer with internet access, and that’s all what you need if you’re determined to achieve something in life. With smart use the internet gives you access to any knowledge you need. In my youth information was expensive and simply not even available in my country.
Most probably you are earning much more than him but not living super-frugally. Not so many people live on just 1500 per month in Switzerland. Heck, just the rent for most people might be more than that.
Might??! Even WG costs minimum 1k. Actually this is something which I don’t understand about Switzerland, why do they insist on limiting the occupancy of shared apartments (or rented apartments in general). Young people are used to share dormitory room and even prefer to keep the social lifestyle after graduation, especially to cut renting costs, moving to their own more expensive place only with their partners.
While studying I shared an apartment. My room was only 600 CHF Smaller rooms 450 CHF. It was a 4 bedroom apartment and our “population” was between 3 and 5. 5 was the max limit set by the municipality. Could more people be shoved in there? Sure. Would life quality drop like stone? Yes. Only 1 kitchen and 1.5 bathrooms. It worked, but first thing we did after graduation was moving to our own apartment.
I also understand the policing of housing limits from the perspective of employers that provide housing. Without occupancy limits, cows would have more rights and living space than people.
I didn’t know there are such employers, but then it’s up to the employees to accept such job or not… With housing shortage and crazy rent prices the opportunity to live cheaply in dorm-like setup is a game changer for young unemployed people which might not have 450 chf a month until they get a job
Where do guest workers live? Story by NZZ in German. Bit weird to realize that I paid about the same rent for a room in an old (no elevator) but nice apartment than one room in that building in Zurich.
Workers of the nearby farm where I buy eggs and greens have a similar arrangement. One house in farm is dedicated to guest workers. It looks nice and they seem happy while grilling in the garden. Relaxing housing regulations would made their lives worse, why?
If one needs cheaper rent, leave the city and find cheaper rent among the farms. No one wins if overcrowding becomes legal.
Occupancy limits imposed by others than the owner only apply to family reunions, and possibly for some social services. If the landlord has no objections, or even shoves more people in, there’s a good chance it’s Ok as long as people aren’t forced to sleep in the hallways.
My only experience with occupancy limits was while sharing an apartment.
A rommie left and did not deregister from the municipality. When the new roomie arrived and tried to register he got told at the municipal office that the apartment was full. I went to the office and learned about the guy forgetting to deregister and the occupancy limit. They game a form where I declared that person did not live anymore in the apartment, I brought it to the landlord to sign, return to the municipal office and finally new roomie could register.
There’s a law about minimum surface areas and people. It’s quite generous, but it exists:
That’s in the context of residential construction subsidy (WEG, Wohnbau- und Eigentumsförderungsgesetz). You don’t qualify for the subsidy unless you meet the area requirements for a given planned maximum occupancy. Getting subsidy subjects you to federal rent control.
Smaller rooms 450 CHF. It was a 4 bedroom apartment and our “population” was between 3 and 5. 5 was the max limit set by the municipality. Could more people be shoved in there? Sure. Would life quality drop like stone? Yes. Only 1 kitchen and 1.5 bathrooms. It worked, but first thing we did after graduation was moving to our own apartment.