There are dozens of such places in Zürich, some more visible than others. The newspapers carry adverts for them all the time and there is even a big billboard at the airport. There are sufficient places to cover demand and these are sufficiently known and accessible to anybody who is interested. However, these legal brothels have not made street prostitution disappear.
Well, risk of deportation sounds like a good enough incentive to register no ? Just make it less worthwhile to offer or buy illegal sex and you will slowly change the scene me thinks.
And besides, I find the argument that you can't stop it completely - therefore do nothing a not very convincing.
Deport 10 and you will get another 20 coming in. All plucked from their poverty stricken homelands. Depressing.
I didnt say do nothing. I was merely commenting that it is an uphill and endless battle, having volunteered with an anti trafficking and rehabilitation NGO, my rose tinted glasses fell out soon enough. We can only do what we can and slowly chip away at this problem, which is again, depressing and I wish we can do more. I am off to wasted's thread for some laughs.
Why do you think nothing is being done? AFAIK there is a way to tip off the police (anonymously if necessary) of any abusive situations and websites exist outlining the rights of prostitutes in many different languages and telling them where they can get help or (if needed) no-questions-asked medical assistance. Also, the police regularly carry out surprise inspections at brothels to make sure that everybody who is working there is legal and registered and to check hygiene and working conditions and such inspections are reported on regualrly in the local press. The city also runs a sort of helpline for johns encouraging them to act safely, be fair, and also encourgaing them to report (anonymously if needed) any suspicion of abuse. The existence of these services is regulary pointed out by the press. Short of rooting out the issue with an iron fist (and so driving it underground) I don't see what more they can do.
Welcome to Schengen. You cannot deport people, they have the same right to come here as you have to visit Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Poland... and this is a good thing, because pushing the ladies into a situation where they have to fear the police rather than to report abuses does not sound as if it will help the problem. It would only cover it.
To be honest: I do not drive through Sihlquai very often, but everytime I do, I see quite some police activity. "The police is doing nothing" is in my eyes not true: What should they do? They check that the ladies are legally here and talk to them. I once read and article that they even cooperate with some social NGOs that provide support in terms of printing little newspapers that warn the women from known "bad guys" including lists of cars and registration plate numbers.
I don't want to groan you for this, but I want to re -iterate the comment that said "pimps don't give a damn"; they really don't. It's what makes them pimps in the first place. Businessmen looking to take care of their "cash cows" aren't in the pimp business (maybe their in the exotic securities/Leehman Brothers etc). Pimps beat their whores. Pimps make them shoot up to keep them tame. They demoralize them at every opportunity they can to make them feel like dogs. It's the nature of the game. Making them deficate on some one's front lawn is just part of the roll call.
They say it's the world's oldest profession for a reason. Their bad personal choices, with the exception of those forced into sex slavery(and trust me the people who do that are worse then pimps; as if that was even imaginably possible), are long and wrong well before they arrived at needing to sell themselves for sex on a street corner. Correcting this goes more then providing a porta potty or tea in passing. I say, no offense, but the quicker one bottoms out is the faster they arrive on a personal core to straighten out. Women aren't prostitutes, at this level, because they aren't hiring at Coop. They really are there because some sort of addiction or mental state of being needs to be supplied.
I understand one's compassion for people they see suffering, but, like anything, they have to come to a realization on their own that this is not for them. Have you ever tried to win some one over with cash because you think it's all they need to get themselves out of a hole? They just spend more then they did before. It's not meant to sound cold or heartless. But, maybe one sitting out in the freezing cold, police everywhere, some prick pimp waiting in the crib with the Moet and ten copies of Scarface, disease, serial nut cases who like beating a girl more then sleeping with her, well maybe that cold might break some sense into some one's head. Do I want to be here? WTF have I done? Otherwiseall this discussion on their suffering is meaningless, you either find a way to help or move on...
I didn't say "nothing" I said they should try harder. why do I think they're not trying hard enough? because: and here I was willing to call myself naïve!
May be true, but from what I gleaned from the Tele Züri report and the word-of-mouth accounts of krei 5 residents, the police patroling Sihlquai are more concerned with parking violations than prostitutes.
on and off, from a distance, through the media....about a year. yourself?
So what is your solution? What would you want the police to do?
1. prostitution is legal here
2. the prositutes are legally in Switzerland
3. Sihlquai is officially chosen by the city to be the street the prostitues are allowed to work on. Not since yesterday, but for several decades (while prostitution is generally legal, you are supposed to either offer it indoors or in specified areas)
4. You do not live here for that long and seem to have a specifically strong position on prostitution. Frankly: A large part of it might very well be a cultural difference as you are from a country where it is illegal.
In short: If you are so against it, you should probably not live next to the red light district.
watch the video brah, you can see it with your own eyes. People who live there talk about it. Hash Brown also just atested to it. why are you partaking in this thread? seriously brah! at least know the fact behind what you type!!!!!!! OBVIOUSLY armoured vehichles aren't required to check parking violations. doesnt mean that its not the fact of the matter.
Deportation only means that they will go to country they were so desperate to leave, to be a prostitute here. So they will be a prostitute there, for less money. It still doesn't give a cure to the problem. You are just sweeping public defecation from Switzerland to some where else because you have no real solution to the problem.
Whether prostitution is legal or not here, sex trafficking exists on a large scale in Switzerland and is not commonly discussed. Even if the victims come, from countries that belong to Schengen it does not mean they're here because they want to be here and can return to their countries if they wish to.They're victims of abuse and violence, threatened to be hurt or killed if they try to escape.