Sorry another complaint but i could cry

Ive been out for two hours ( if that ) dogs are in doubly checked no barking before i leave

I come back exchange in my pjamas cooking my daughters dinner and preparing a rissotto for me an my fella later,,,, when ring of the bell ( im thinking hes not back yet 6pm ) answer to find a lady from animal inspection agency to say she needs to come snd inspect the wellfare of my dogs im absolutly gutted!

I invited her in and asked why and apparently they are left alone now 6+ hours a day which is so untrue ( im never ever out 6 hours at a time,,, ever!!

Theyve been with us away in france all christmas too so its impossible absolutley fuming now

And they do their pee and poo on the balcony is that a ing joke i dit on that balcony all summer long id never let them do that ever!!

Totally at the end of the line and all again anonymous person ( same one )

The inspection has been all around my flat totally awful as i was trying to cook and feed my daughter, they seemed satistfied but really dont need this shit

Sorry again just could cry so fed up right now

Big hugs to you.

Do you live in an apartment building? Sorry, haven't checked previous threads, but have you been to meet all of your neighbours if so (take them a token gift for the new year, get chatting, find out who the dobber culprit may be and/or charm them all so they think twice/stop with the complaints?)

Oh dear, that's awful. I'm sorry I can't offer any practical advice but I can send huge amounts of sympathy. What a mean, mean thing for someone to have done. Out of interest, what did the Welfare woman say to your refuting the allegations? Did she seem sympathetic? Do you have anything from her "on record" as it were to say she is satisfied with the welfare of your dogs?

Oh I would be livid too. I know it's not even slightly easy but please do try to have a bit of a relax. Maybe put it all down in writing for ease of recollection later on (and a good vent helps it to get out of your head too!)

Best wishes to you and evil ones to your horrid neighbour.

Rufus

So, if some woman or man turns up from the animal inspection agency, are you obliged to let them in then and there? Do they have any legal powers at all? If so, can you request they come back at a more convenient time for you?

Thanks guys

To cut a long story short i invited her in to our place. Ive nothing to hide my animals are my PASSION she said the 'anonymous person' says im out 6+ hours a day!! I should be so lucky more like2.5 if that,,

Very upset right now just feel like someones out to get me, anywsy she looked at our dogs, 5 dragons and our spider snd seemed ok so lets see

Worse thing was when she said the complaintant said i let them pee poo on the balcony, i use that all summer to play cards and beers bbq with the man its discusting id never ever do that

Maybe just try rescue my burnt dinner from the random inspection and chil

I think hayley did the right thing letting the lady in to see the flat straight away. Any delay would have been taken as guilt.

Did you show her the balcony?

Was it clean?

Yes? Then it's end of story here.

How often do you think can your friendly neighbor call in animal inspection and rat you out only for them to find out that everything is ok?

After the 3rd call, they'll just ignore him/her.

They have real cases to deal with.

Haleyjay, I am sorry you are going through this.

Based on your other threads, this needs to be taken seriously. Yes, it is likely that the person who denounced you is acting maliciously but you need to set things up so that you have proof that any future accusations are baseless because unfortunately you, or more correctly your dogs, are vulnerable here.

Nasty neighbors know this, they know they are hitting where it hurts most, they are using the things you love, the dogs, in order to get to you. Such people get away with it because most of us will first protect our dogs. This is a very real, very ugly side of life in Switzerland.

How long are the dogs left for? Can you get a sitter in during those times? Failing that, can you get a recording to show when you left, when you returned, what the dogs were doing while you were gone? When it comes to your word against another person's anything can happen. You would be best off if you had irrefutable proof that the accusations are baseless and that the dogs are fine when left alone.

I'd also consider seeking expert help. You might consider contacting Tier Im Recht - and if they could not advise you perhaps they might be able to steer you to someone (likely a lawyer) who can.

And - as IIRC was mentioned in the other thread, gather testimonials from 'authority figures' who know you and know how you treat your dogs. Your SKN trainer is a good person here.

What happened when you spoke last with the landlord over previous harrassment? Did the landlord take any steps to help you, or offer any advice?

Insist on a copy of the animal welfare report. You need to know what the findings were, and you need to address any points brought up. Hopefully the report will clear you completely, even so you also need to keep a copy on hand, should further complaints/harrassment/ugliness occur.

Was the conversation with Animal Welfare conducted in English, or in German? If the latter, is your German fluent? If not, in the future insist on either English or ask to reschedule for another time so that you have someone there to translate for you.

Honestly - were it me I would consider moving. If the nasty neighbor has gone so far as to call Tierschutz the person is either seriously unhinged or determined to make trouble.

And were it me, I would use this incident of yet another example of harassment making your living there untenable, a reason to ask the landlord to let you out of the lease early, as soon as you have found someplace else.

Thumbs pressed that this clears up without too many more tears.

Wishing you and the dogs all the best.

No, only the Police & I think the need a warrant. You could ask them to come back with the Police, then ask the Police if they need a warrant

Well i did!!! Because i really really dont have anything to hide,,, at all just a burnt dinner now

Sending you a big hug! Mind what Meloncollie wrote, good advice!

Good luck!

I'm sorry for you. Don't take it personally. Persons like this aren't satisfied at all in their lives.

I'm living in a place, where there are native people AND owners. In our neighbour house are two owners with a dog each. I wont tell you now all the stories, but actually one dog owner will kill these days it's dog to buy a smaller one to avoid the troubles with the apartement and dog owner living next door. I never ever will understand how people be like this, but unfortunally....

Best thing is to find a place, where people let each other live. And those places in Switzerland, you will find in the places multiculturell and not in the middle class, but lower class quarters.

Indeed- deep breaths, count to 10 or perhaps 100- and onwards and forwards. But yes, a move is probably for the best.

Can you get cameras to video actions and noise when you are out- and keep a diary of ins and outs per day?

But you were right to agree to the inspection- as they are much more likely to take it further and become suspicious if you had refused.

Mainly (((( hugs ))))

I love Switzerland, but I live in a large house with land and no close neighbours- and I would probably feel very differently if that was not the case

(flowers, chocolate and a glass of decent wine- Swiss or not)

Yes im very very angry ive got an upset little girl thinking her dogs will be taken away an upset me when i do absolutly nothing wrong than mind my own business and litterly go out at 11.30am weekdays, my man comes back at 12-1.30pm and im back at 3.30pm latest for my daughter returning from school and thats only 3 times a week so weekends they with us we tsje them in the car to the UK and to France

To be honest my heart breaks

From Tier Im Recht:

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/rechts...gkontrolle.php

Frage:

Wann werden Heimtierhaltungen kontrolliert?

Antwort:

Die Kontrolle von Heimtierhaltungen obliegt den kantonalen Veterinärdiensten, die nur tätig werden, wenn Hinweise auf Tierschutzwidrigkeiten vorliegen. Daher sind die Behörden auf entsprechende Hinweise und Meldungen aus der Bevölkerung angewiesen, um allfällige Missstände beheben zu können. Der Veterinärdienst geht solchen Hinweisen bei hinreichenden Anhaltspunkten unverzüglich nach und führt eine Kontrolle durch, wobei er das Recht hat, sich zu Wohnräumen unbeschränkten Zutritt zu verschaffen.

My very rough translation - please could someone who is fluent make corrections?

Question:

When are the conditions in which a pet is kept monitored?

Reply:

The control of pet animal welfare lies with the cantonal veterinary services, who act when there are indicators that an animal's welfare is risk. Therefore, the authorities have to rely on appropriate information and notice from the population in order to resolve any grievances. If there is such evidence, the veterinary service performs a control, where they have the right to procure unlimited access to living spaces . (My underline)

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Was the person who visited from the cantonal Veterinäramt? Or from the Gemeinde, or some other organization? Did you get a copy of the official's card, did you take down the name?

Again, please do not rely on me and my friend Google - please go to the source, go to the cantonal Veterinäramt with questions. In ZH that is:

Kanton Zürich Veterinäramt Obstgartenstrasse 21 8090 Zürich

Tel.: 043 259 41 41 Fax: 043 259 41 40 [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) http://www.veta.zh.ch

Someone's been hearing way too much Schwinglish!

Here's my stab at it... not that it's much different from yours in terms of content!

Frage:

Wann werden Heimtierhaltungen kontrolliert?

Antwort:

Die Kontrolle von Heimtierhaltungen obliegt den kantonalen Veterinärdiensten, die nur tätig werden, wenn Hinweise auf Tierschutzwidrigkeiten vorliegen. Daher sind die Behörden auf entsprechende Hinweise und Meldungen aus der Bevölkerung angewiesen, um allfällige Missstände beheben zu können. Der Veterinärdienst geht solchen Hinweisen bei hinreichenden Anhaltspunkten unverzüglich nach und führt eine Kontrolle durch, wobei er das Recht hat, sich zu Wohnräumen unbeschränkten Zutritt zu verschaffen.

Q: When are the conditions in which a pet is kept monitored?

A: Checking up on pet animals' welfare is the job of the cantonal veterinary services. They only get involved when there are indications that animal welfare laws may be being broken. For this reason, the authorities are dependent on tips and reports from the general population, in order to correct any possible problems. Where these tips are indicative enough, the veterinary service follows up on them promptly and conducts a check. In this capacity they have the right to obtain unrestricted access to living spaces.

Sorry but you made a big mistake . When the animal lady told you she has to inspect your place , you should have told her " Bring Bier ". For a fun afternoon

Good job meloncollie! Tiny correction made by m.h.s. in bold print above, which doesn't matter much anyway in that it doesn't change the gist. Thanks!

I have a co-worker who is talking to his neighbors downstairs only by means of lawyer-letters.

He has two Bengal cats and the other cats in the house don't really get along with them. But because they are Bengal cats, they win all fights...

Neither he nor the neighbors can easily move out because they bought their apartments ;-)

Neighbors downstairs even called the police once because of this - but the police came and basically told them to get their sh*t together and not bother them with their cat-business anymore...

My co-worker is the one of the most thoughtful, peaceful guys I've ever worked with - but even he says he has no other way now than routing routing all communication through the lawyer.

I feel a bit sorry for these kinds of people who get so consumed by useless drivel like that. What a sad life.

But really only a tiny bit ;-)

To quote Schiller:

"The very meekest cannot be at peace if his ill neighbour will not let him rest"

What is the next step? Just have to add bill will be in the post!