Spinsterhood in Switzerland (Women over 30, single and childless)

Although the OP's methods of expression leave a lot to be desired, there is a some merit in his post..there are are a lot of females over 30 who cannot pin down a guy. But the fault does not necessarily lie with them. Men and society in general play a big role.

In a place like Zürich, there are a lot of young, cash-upped professional singles living life like they are going to stay young forever. Here guys do have the cruel advantage: as soon as their current romance puts the pressure on for commitment, they simply look for someone younger. Men generally hit the bio-clock phase at 40 instead of 30.

Men are equally to blame: They are often scared of highly-qualified women, and see independence as a threat. Both sides seek a more ideal partner than is realistic, and by the time this hits home it is usually too late.

This is for the OP and Litespeed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yashar...b_1464930.html

Whats wrong with being single?

Nothing, if that's what you want, but for those who want to start a family at 40+, it's problematic.

Tom

I should really get a cat at some point. Or a penguin. They're equally cute.

LOL Buncha claptrap.

While it may be more or less true in some areas of the world, as well as according to our grandmothers, being married isn't the answer to life's happiness.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am happy and in love with my husband - but I wasn't sad and lonely before I got married in my late'ish 30s. I went where I want, took vacations with whom I wanted, spent my money however I wanted, and had a lovely apartment I decorated to my taste.

Meanwhile, about the cats, while they are lovely, a home is greatly enhanced by the addition of a dog as well. (Hubby is the one who is a fiend for cats. )

Spinsterhood in Switzerland (Women over 30, single and childless)

That's very good for me, even a bit young.

well, simple fact of over-cat-ization (I guess everybody sees these kind of women around) indicates lack of trustworthy subject of male gender who shares empathy & more back. You (not YOU personally ) can deny it, you can scream how it's great to be single long-term for a woman, but facts are out and everybody knows them - it's rather a sad story. Women need men, close, even closer, much of the time (in a rather unpredictable pattern for males) more than men need women.

I agree with statement that both sides are to blame, who more doesn't matter. People getting older usually discover every last piece of themselves, what makes them tick (sports, arts, meetings, travel, etc.) and if there is serious mismatch, people don't want to give up who they are (became) on top of other things that one gives up in relationship.

Finding close match is a real challenge, but I believe everybody has quite a few out there. Just don't leave looking for them for later, time is ticking already, in many ways...

Dear OP, I am over 30, hot, successful, have a toddler and I have to fight the men off with sticks.

Oh hang on, that could've been a dream.....

Nah...just checked the mirror and the queue outside my front door and my first comment is true

Disclaimer: only kidding mirfield

What about those in a steady relationship who desperately want a pet cat, but just can't afford it!

While that's true, the OP makes it sound like it is a one sided game. Like if a woman does it she is degrading herself, if a guy does it, it is just the standard.

In thee non "nuclear family" world of today, what defines family is far more loose then it did, in western societies, in what this guy seems to be referring to as the 50's. With a science based society, where women can't conceive, they don't necessarily have to, and where men are sterile, they don't have to feel like "not a real man" for the rest of their lives.

Back in the day, going the other way, marriages could as easily break up when one of the partners was un fertile. As young women had just as much of a right to ditch a man not able to "perform" as any aged man today with an older girl past her birthing years.

But it IS a different world, and proven so. Women just realize they can bat on the same level playing field as men have always been able to, and then you get your occasional sheister to come out and say "when I was a kid, we didn't have fire, we didn't have iphones, and are women did what we said other wise society would reject them".

I can't say I miss those days of my uncles and grandparents sitting around talking about how things should be, and how almost everyone else was beneath them for one reason or another.

You are absolutely right. Have you tried opening those jam jars lately? Impossible!

It's a shame the OP didn't posit his argument more fairly.

Men are also riding the carousel so to speak.

But more importantly men are also increasingly choosing later or not at all.

Equality brings new consequences. I'd be surprised if the nuclear family survived. Welcome to the 21st century! Personally I'm inviting in Therapy and pharma stocks

Actually, most women I know (and over my lifetime, I've met quite a few) tend to need companionship more than they specifically need men.

This may help.

Notice her hands though? She's married and STILL has to open the jar herself. Dang men, never around when you need them (to open a jar).

Probably should invest in shower head manufacturing and "personal" massage devices as well.

It's about commitment.

While women over 30 are still capable to receive male attention, compliments and sex, especially casual sex, her sexual and marriage market value rapidly decreases, and so does the probability to find a man who wants a committed relationship with her

Yes I had, but smart ways work better than brute force not only in these cases

For now predictable thread - guys+- agreeing, women +- disagreeing, for whatever reasons, 1000s times heard.

Somebody care to make it more interesting?

"her sexual and marriage market value" eh? Priceless

Based on what? Are you a woman in your 30's?

Honestly, from my little experience, and the people I have met in the last 20 years, I think if a woman is not already sick of relationships with men, and in their 30's and divorced, then I find it easier to be friends with them. And it does seem more comfortable of an idea to have more of a serious relationship. I wish you would quote some real data references and not junk like the Huffington Post...one of the most editorialized, jaded, online journals out there.

Completely off-topic, but how can the OP be groaned in more posts than they have actually posted?

Affects reaaaally bad scottish accent "Youse cannae bend the laws of Physics Cap'n"

Should I just say something stupid that I don't agree with so that you can be more interested?