What if you’re right handed or even ambidextrous?
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You appear to have a very bizarre way of interpreting what being ‘left’ means.
Your obsession with ‘the left’ is really quite baffling.
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It’s about supporting all the bizarre and dangerous ideas,
- introducing ambiguous moral standards with regards to the gender and the family
- promoting inflation (minimal salary, welfare etc.) at the expense of others’ savings and others earnings
- promoting borderless countries (fake refugees etc. degrading countries)
- promoting anarchy essentially, ie. weak police (protests against police went they rightfully kill a dangerous person, requests to defund it etc.), squatting, ie. essentially disrespect for the ownership rights
And everything is sold as something “morally good” ie let’s have a good heart for refugees (going through a dozen safe countries to reach this specific rich country), let’s give money to the poor ones etc.
Did I miss something that is good and works well?
It’s not an obsession but it’s a public forum, a good place to remind what’s good and what’s bad, or have a dispute.
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This is all just a subjective opinion which seems to be based on every unhinged fever dream headline in the red-top tabloids, though. Yes, they are “dangerous ideas” but they seem to exist mainly in the profit-hungry clickbait world of the boulevard press.
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Maybe due to the crisis, there are very few empty buildings 
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I guess you’re referring to the revision of the Swiss Federal Constitution of 1874.
People literally voted to have secular federal state meaning the introduction of ambiguous, conflicting and contradictory moral standards to society because everyone has different ideas about gender, the family and even how to kill animals for food.
Totally OK to discuss in these terms in the forum, careful if you express this in public.
Solidarity is an important value of the society we live in. Some people truly believe in this, others are a bit more cynic but anyway avoid dying on this hill. Going against Sozialhilfe is like going against cow bells, good luck!
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People literally voted to have secular federal state meaning the introduction of ambiguous, conflicting and contradictory moral standards to society because everyone has different ideas about gender, the family and even how to kill animals for food.
I don’t mind the way it’s done in Switzerland, I just don’t want more of it, i.e. ideology departments in companies (DEI), positive discrimination when hiring, teaching my children new moral standards etc. I.e. believe whatever you want, and be with whoever you want, just don’t impose your ideology on me, don’t sell it as a new norm, I am free and you’re free. Tolerance != support.
Totally OK to discuss in these terms in the forum, careful if you express this in public.
I know, I know. I wish it wasn’t like this though. It only shows the authoritarian side of the left. They force you into their ways of things via state control.
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Just using your quote, not aiming at you:
Considering squatting has been going on since at least the 70-ies yes, it had a horrible effect on Zurich, hadn’t it. Just imagine what a pretty, organized, safe and rich town Zurich could be otherwise.
And then look what one person - Trump - did within 8 months to an entire country. Or Putin to an other one within two years.
But let’s not, let’s talk the real problems of the world: Squatters in Switzerland. And let’s get really outraged about it too, I read somewhere it has the same effect as some heavy drug. Someone must be flying high for days now.
Now I wonder; is it legal to drive high on outrage? We should definitely make a law about that.
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I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t want your children to be taught tolerance and acceptance of people living their own lives, even if it’s different to the strict way they have been raised? You might just be in the wrong country if that’s what you want.
Ummm no. Sozialhilfe is culturally in the fabric of the Swiss and has been for a long time.
Yes, I wondered why this total non-issue had raised the dander of the OP so successfully… 
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Nicely said, can you be more specific as for why it doesn’t exist?
- Isn’t it factual that that USA/W. Europe are flooded by migrants and the welcoming policy is definitely a left policy?
- Isn’t it factual that giving away money by the government drives inflation, and inflation means that your savings are worth less? And isn’t it factual that more generous policies require higher taxes - and it is implemented and works exactly like this?
- Isn’t left defensive of squatting?
I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t want your children to be taught tolerance and acceptance of people living their own lives, even if it’s different to the strict way they have been raised? You might just be in the wrong country if that’s what you want.
Let’s not confuse tolerance and support.
They can be taught that an X person having certain ideas can be respected, can be a good friend or a good colleague and has a human value overall, but he must not be expected to believe that for real there’re more than 2 genders and all this BS I don’t want even to re-iterate in this post.
It’s populism mixing up the local aspect of Zurich and then also brining in Putin or Trump. The limited extent in Switzerland and the tolerance limit of Zurich was not exceeded yet it does not make this phenomena less dangerous.
Let me guess: One of the mannerly teenies went to a really cool party at a squatted place, met some unconventional people and now wants to join a street-theater group on week-ends.
Actually the thread was quiet interesting, seeing Zurich’s squatting history all on one page (I think I linked it) was quiet interesting (although it didnt go all the way back to the “Globus Kravalle”, which I think were the first ever, not sure.)
However, now the thread has potential to become a Friday thread.
What doesn’t exist?
You are a migrant, aren’t you? Most of on here started of as such. I wasn’t welcomed by anyone from any particular party. True that they hold a bit of an apero at the town hall with an orientation chat when you are registered. Is that a bit lefty and woke, I wonder?
Who is “factually giving money away”? Do you mean unemployment benefit? Why not? People pay into an insurance. Sozialhilfe? Why not? People tend to slide out of society if they are left in a penniless state, which may or may not cost society more. Minimum wage? Why not? Prevents bad actor employers exploiting workers.
I don’t think anyone here actually thinks about squatting, to be fair (except you). Is that being “defensive and leftie” if you don’t let it torment your every waking moment?
What doesn’t exist?
If my understanding of your response was incorrect - tell me, my understanding was that you argued that things I mentioned only existed in the non-reputable press i.e. in simple words they did not exist, thus I am trying to do a reality check with regards to it.
You are a migrant, aren’t you? Most of on here started of as such. I wasn’t welcomed by anyone from any particular party. True that they hold a bit of an apero at the town hall with an orientation chat when you are registered. Is that a bit lefty and woke, I wonder?
Yes, but guess what? I came legally by finding a skilled job. The moment I am fired and cannot find another job I am out even though I’d like to live there. To be in this situation I studied and worked elsewhere, also as a migrant in another country. Do you see the difference between my approach and the approach of people who just cross the border (if we take the Merkel migrants for example, sometimes not only being unsatisfied with Balkan states along the way but also Germany or Austria) en masses and claim they are refugees? Do you see the difference between following the legal path and just having a need and claiming it?
Who is “factually giving money away”? Do you mean unemployment benefit? Why not? People pay into an insurance. Sozialhilfe? Why not? People tend to slide out of society if they are left in a penniless state, which may or may not cost society more. Minimum wage? Why not? Prevents bad actor employers exploiting workers.
Switzerland is actually doing fine in most cases or better than other countreis! I was speaking about left ideas overall. Insurance is the way to go. Minimum wage devalues just this much of a wage, makes lives hard for business owners, encourages unofficial job market and overall drives inflation. Social assistance - in the form it exists in Switzerland it’s ok, I’d be kicked out as a foreigner if I am abusing it. Overall, a bad idea. Again, in the big scheme of things, a completely relaxed liberal economy would on its own reduce the poverty, and there’d be independent actors like charity organizations. I don’t mind charity organizations and I donate sometimes to a good cause, but it’s a “free will” as opposed to the state taking from me.
I don’t think anyone here actually thinks about squatting, to be fair (except you). Is that being “defensive and leftie” if you don’t let it torment your every waking moment?
Kiwi outright supported communist ideas; others assumed there could be “exceptions”. If you don’t think about squatting and do not want to discuss it then don’t engage in a thread on a forum? It’s like going to a tennis court and saying who cares about playing tennis? Well most people don’t but you’re on a tennis court?
Well I meant it more from an inflammatory rhetoric POV. Talking about “invasions” and being a bit vague about “migrants” i.e. not making a distinction between regular and irregular migrants because that means they can legit beef up the numbers to further ignite the outrage. Rage sells, doesn’t it?
I see it but there are a lot of people that are easily manipulated to blur the definitions. See my paragraph above.
Ssshhh… don’t tell anyone but they employ a lot of “dangerous left ideas” and it makes this country and its society actually work!
It piqued my interest because it reminded me of a thread a long time ago where people posted their First World Problems of the day. This squatter thing which is such a miniscule problem seemed to fit in that category. It’s funny.
It piqued my interest because it reminded me of a thread a long time ago where people posted their First World Problems of the day. This squatter thing which is such a miniscule problem seemed to fit in that category. It’s funny.
If I convinced at least one person to vote right-libertarian now or in the future, this thread was already worth it =)
Ssshhh… don’t tell anyone but they employ a lot of “dangerous left ideas” and it makes this country and its society actually work!
It works thanks to its liberalism and entrepreneurship (insurance is not a left idea by the way), not because to some abusive socialist ideas implemented
You have just reaffirmed my left of centre leanings.
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Maybe, check what the Swiss libertarians say first 
Immigration : people from all over the world should be welcomed to Switzerland. However, a flexible and unbureaucratic immigration system is necessary. Fixed quotas set by politics never meet Switzerland’s needs.
Drugs: From a liberal point of view, the thing is clear: everyone is first the owner of his body and is allowed to do what he wants
It’s just one of implementations of the concept. For example, I wouldn’t vote right in France because it’s essentially a trojan horse of Putin, sometimes you get to choose a lesser evil. But I’ve checked the source and they also say:
So far, this principle has been limited to European immigrants. But there is no reason to keep Indian biochemists and Chinese computer scientists away from Switzerland.
I don’t think they mean people just entering the country out of a blue here.
Drugs: From a liberal point of view, the thing is clear: everyone is first the owner of his body and is allowed to do what he wants
They’re more descriptive here https://libertaere-partei.ch/blog/2021/01/20/eigenverantwortung/
In general, I agree with them BUT drug supply can be weaponized by an adversary, and this would fall into a category where the state should be involved. Night-watchman state - Wikipedia