Strong willed child laid back mum!

Well! Thanks for all the feedback! It is good to know that I am not alone All of these posts were very helpful. I know that I am not firm enough with her (hence her laughing at me!) However I feel like some of my hesitance is in how much she knows, or understands at this age. It seems to me most of you feel like if I take her toy away when we get home she will realize that it is a result from her not listening outside? She doesn't have a favorite toy, however she does like to watch Spot in the evenings. Isn't this a bit late for a punishment? I do have a harness for her, however feel like this would look a bit strange, two dogs AND a baby on leashes? LOL but maybe necessary! I obviously want to find a good balance for getting her into trouble. It infuriates me when she laughs at my scolding, however I don't want to leave her in tears every time she is a tiny bit in trouble. While, yes her Dad doesn't let her get away with much, his approach is to yell firmly, or give her a swat. However I feel more like she needs to be explained to WHY she is getting into trouble. I.e. "No, you cannot walk anymore because you are not listening." Ahhh parenting! What a wonderful world of learning you are! I completely agree that as parents we need to be on the same page though. Thanks for all the advice! I was half expecting some negativity on here, however all of your replies were well thought out and level headed! I will be taking all of this on board!

This is how I feel as well, however I can only carry her for so long (And control the dogs) so that means her "punishment" of not being allowed to walk is not very effective since it is short lived. Maybe taking the pram along and putting her in instead! Ahhh, good idea mum!

First of all, relax. I know this sounds stupid, but boy that child knows how irritating it is to you, they are so smart, aren't they.. You have to keep a little distance, to make her realize that you can be very strict, mean business and still talk calmly, quietly and very slooooowwwllllyyyyy, and hop - here comes the consequence. Works with tots, works with the older ones.

Tots will always test you. Your kid is not different than any others. What you see on the street does not mean the kids are better behaved, they were only exposed to consistency a lot earlier, maybe. You are not a bad mom for being soft with your first child when she just hits the testing phase. We all learn when parenting, all the time, time to move on to another strategy.

Kids will always test moms more, since the bond is probably closer, especially if you stay with her while your partner works, they know how you function and also that you will cut them a slack since you know them better. Dad is a lot more special to her, inspires and stimulates more right in this phase, it is proven dads are pushing kids more to learn and perform, when kids left the safe baby stage (completely mom dependent). Of course she will behave better for him, especially if you are the disciplining person. Share the dirty job. Equally. No dady playing time while you cook dinner and police your child, have him share this duty, play afterwards.

I know this will sounds like a herecy, but I totally enjoy temperamental kids, more than the uber well behaving quiet ones, those who have been "worked on" too much. I work with troubled kids, and while it is horendously difficult, there is such joy in dealing with strong characters, kids who surprise, who don't conform easily to our sometimes overly discipline obsessed world. The fact your child has her own head is great. You know she has a head, she is using it correctly for figuring out all the mischief there is, it is only a little trouble now - how to socialize her and get her respect your authority.

I really like your consequence approach, that has always worked for us. We also have a special child, super quiet in public, but very stubborn with people she is comfortable with. We had to push the consequences further, stay very very consistent, while giving her all the love and reasoning she needs. I wouldn't blink an eye and walk away from her, get myself out of her sight and not look back if she had a fit and didn't want to hold my hand or walk with me. If you cave in, laugh or walk away a few meters while still supervising her, it does nothing. Just turn around the corner so she does not see you and then you will see she responds. All kids do, if the security is not all of a sudden there.

There are other consequences, one does not have to be mean or harh, but one way to get your right to decide, your authority back is really set the rules, stick to them - bed times, food times, etc. I never did the 1-2-3 counting since I have seen so many desperate moms doing the "please please don't make me be mean please 1 and half 1 and three quarters" it was a joke. Ask once, give a benefit of the doubt that she didn't hear, then act.

Be stern and firm, but calm and kind. Kid didn't want to take a shower, off she went under the shower with her clothes and pantoufles on. Kid didn't want to put her toys away, off they went into hiding. Long hiding. Days. Kid was rude, whiney or yell, the program for the day got councelled. Some toys and candy went to trash. Etc. No hitting, ever. No grabbing toys from others. Respect. No food throwing. They understand the drill so much easier when they are about 3, so give it time.

Now, your child is only 22mo, really, they are not evil, and all of them are like this. You are most probably frustrated with the shock that your baby is not the cute little obedient sleepy thing anymore, but that is absolutely normal. From now on, it will always be about strategy. Better earlier than later.

I absolutely aggree, be very careful about your NOs. If you abuse saying NO all the time, without offering explanation, without picking the battles, you just end up restricting your child pointlessly to set some formal authority in, but kids always rebel against meaningless tasks, even the little ones, powerstruggles are better to be avoided with creativity and flexibility.

And, this has always worked for us. Aren't we all so tired of those very abnoxiously loud parents who sit on their butts and expect their kids to behave without their involvement? Who is going to do the parenting for them? Pressuring bystenders since they can't put up with the laziness anymore? Ugh. Ok, pet peve.

Good luck. It will definitely pass. Just be strong. Then you will have a delightful little unique person, who knows where the boudaries are, who to listen to and how we are all learning. Not just kids. There is no point in over doing it and ending up with a lifeless robot, who is scared to make the tiniest noise.

bwahahahahahaha ! mine definately weren't

I personally think not. If she asks to watch Spot that very evening, tell her no. Explain: Mummy already told you when we were outside today, that if you didnt listen to mummy, you cant watch Spot. Because you did (insert naughty action here) and didnt listen to mummy, that is very naughty behaviour - so you cant watch Spot.

Proceed to ignore tantrum.

Reinforce the next time before you go out - issue warning if she's being naughty and carry out punishment again. If Spot - whatever this is - really means alot to her like Barney is for my nieces, I reckon the message will sink in.

It worked my nieces (who are 3 and 5) but I will let other parents on here answer that.

If I remember well, telling a not even 2yr old about not being able to watch tv in the evening for what they have done earlier in the day does not work. Too early. They just think you are being mean. The consequence must happen right afterwards. She does not have the concept of the time, yet. I would creatively figure out sumfin related and right away - no icecream, no candy, no cake, no playground, for that afternoon, etc. Evening tv watching (its not like they have an attention span to watch much at that age, anyways) could be restricted for something that just happened right before. Save your aces, really, that's pretty painful not to watch tv. It's important to make your child calmly realize, some thigns are non negotiable (food, clothes, sleep, etc. ). Let her decide about the silly stuff, what kind of tshirt, a choice of food between two healthy options, etc. Let them feel their opinions matter, too. So they take our decisions with less fuss.

Well then this sentence wasn't directed at you.

Totally agree and it works so OP if she does not have a favourite toy stop her from watching spot, but make sure she understands why.

How does she act when you all go out for a walk i.e when her Daddy is with you, does she behave or run off?

Well she is a BIT better with him, however I think it is a bit scarier to be alone, or run off because usually if he takes her it is after work, and now dark. AND his threat of carrying her is more of a punishment because he can hold her for longer. The other day we all three went for a walk, and when she didn't come in the door to the building Dad tried the "okay bye" routine, and I told him that wouldn't work. HE insisted it would and when she turned around and ran off I had to smile a bit inside... But told him to stay firm and tell her that she was in trouble for not listening.

You know we did have a tot that would take off anytime there was a time to run..Have you tried taking her out more often? To get more free running time? To places where there aren't any cars or roads? A few times a day?

I was never fan of leashes since sometimes you have to retrain your child to be a lot more careful when you release the leash. And then they really flee, headlessly, since the leash provided control without their involvement. Works differently for everybody, ours wouldn't put up with it. But we were strict with not having our hands pulled when walking holding hands, and not bolting into streets, parking lots, no running into streets, etc. Friends had a trouble trying to get their rumbunctious boy get used to walking normally when off leash, I just saw some granny having a child tied to her pram with a very very short leash constantly tripping over her own feet. But some people are very successful with it.

what's the point of threatening something if you're not going to carry it out? imo, this just makes you lose credibility and no surprise that the child will stop taking you seriously.

My kids always wanted to be carried at that age if i did not have the pram so carying her is not really a punishment unless she hates being carried.

Ok so how did Daddy deal with her running off when he said bye?

There you go, a brilliant solution. Time in the pram or child harness will help her remember that you are serious about the "stick with me" rule. She may have her freedom so long as she doesn't abuse it. We all have to stick with this rule if you think about it. She may as well go ahead and learn it now.

Yeah, I am sure our street has seen enough of us like this...

You bolt, the outing is over.

And prams, only if they are don't know how to sneak out (ours did even out of the straps) or don't know how to knock it over. Yes. Some are determined.

I am sure Positive parenting will have some answers, too, some of their ways are very inspiring..

[QUOTE. However she refuses to walk with me. She either lags way behind or runs off along the sides. Being an American I am wary about letting her very far from me, for obvious reasons. If I try the "Okay, Bye" trick, she looks at me and runs the other way. I call her and she doesn't seem to care. I have tried getting her in trouble. For instance when she does not come to my calling, I go to her and pick her up and tell her she cannot walk now, since she is not listening. SHE LAUGHS AT ME!!

Is there anything she is afraid of? At that age my son was afraid of tigers and when he went wandering off and refused to co-operate I just told him to watch out because there is a tiger behind him. He couldn't return fast enough after that

I don't think nurturing an existing fear of anything is good in a child, in case it grows into something else later in life.

i was afraid of feather dusters, slippers, belts and any other household item which could be quickly and effectively transformed into an implement to dispense punishment.

i was also afraid of being left behind after running away once and being left in the cold and rain for 2 hours before i found the way back to my house. i made sure to stay close to my mum on future outings to avoid getting left behind again.

I would not recommend instilling fear in order to retain control.

Absolutely. Our kids each tried it once. The consequences when we found out stopped it happening again.

The trick there is to be creative with the carrying. Upside down by one ankle... or tucked under one arm. But do be aware of flailing hands and feet.

I remember watching a program where they were dealing with difficult kids. When one of the kids was persistently running off, the expert ran after him, caught him, then pinned him to the ground. She only let him up again when he promised not to run off. After that he followed her around like a little lamb.

The other way is to give her Spot as a reward for good behaviour... positive rather than negative. This might get over the time delay between the good/bad behaviour while out and watching something as a reward when back home.

Yein. In Enaj's defence, I think it does depend a little what you are talking about using. e.g. a tiger or dragon will be useful while the child is small, but they'll soon realise that it is an "empty" threat as they get older - by which time the good behaviour should hopefully be instilled. Although by then the therapy bills might be costly...

Well, it does not take so long to figure out the tiger is never there..They are smart. But, leaving a tantruming or uncooperative child behind to cool off and realize, we will continue without her no matter what and get out of sight, does have some lesson in, worked for us, immmediately. One has to be careful, not do it in dangerous areas, traffic, etc. or have other partner secretly supervising, while one is walking off.

That said, I had a very unsuccessful moment yesterday, when I was very "mad" while putting my child yet again all dressed into a shower and then we both started laughing...Meh, it is good to realize that it is all in our hands. It's not stressful, if we do it right, it should get progressively easier.