Suggestion for buying SUV - Subaru Forestor or Toyota RAV4

How about a Range Rover Evoque? They do look pretty, but is that all it is, good looks, or is it a decent SUV to boot?

Top Gear gave it a rugged test and it came out positive.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1aT5c1Lus

Hey rajiv1982

My tip would be the forester. I did exactly the same comparison 10 years back and the forester won hands down (then) because:

- The Boxer engine has low center of gravity - stability on the road.

- Forester had one of the best safety ratings.

- Higher clearance - Anyone who drives AWD / 4WD knows it's handy to have, particularly when driving in deep snow.

- The interior finish has better quality.

- Space and ergonomics are MUCH better - I crammed at least 4 20kg paraglider backpacks in the boot / trunk/area at the back of a vehicle for stuff/whatever you call it.

- Better mileage

- And

- And

- And...

I'd be interested to know how Subaru is doing these days... I bought a cooler Audi A4 here instead of the more practical VW Passat

Happy AWDing

Greeting

Puddy

What about a Honda CR-V?

It is less ugly than a Forester or RAV4 and a real Honda.

Meant ESP (Electronic Stability control) and yes I know what Im writing here! Torque is only one of many factors affecting traction and after driving Subarus for the last 15 years (with no ESP) have never come close to loosing control in situations where I would otherwise with another vehicle.

As you appear to be so knowledgable on the topic perhaps you'll educate us on these many factors that affect traction.

Is this another willy waving contest?

We drive a CR-V now entering its 3rd year (bought as new from a Honda garage here) and I can safely say this is the best car we've owned so far. Its not as powerful as to tempt me to do stupid stuff, but its powerful enough to take a family of 4 in the Swiss Alps for our winter holiday. Boot is huge and useful, interior is much better than anything in this price range, at least when we made the decision to go with it). Mind you, its not a "real" AWD, but I actually tend to prefer this. Normally, the front wheels "pull" and the torque transfer to the back wheels happens when the front wheel start to lose grip. I've seen it blink a few times in the Swiss snow and subjectively speaking it works.

Paddy, assuming you're talking about buying a new Forester XT, you're looking at something like CHF 40-50,000, depending on specifications and accessories. XTs produce 240 PS from a 2.0 litre engine.

Would you consider a second-hand car? For that sort of money (especially if you're prepared to look over the border) you could get a Mercedes ML -- superb vehicles, indestructible interiors or so it seems, capacious boot, and very capable 4WDs. I have a 2005 model (W164, not the crappy first run W163) that's approaching 200,000 km now and still can't convince myself that it needs replacing.

Here's a 2-year-old ML 350 with 306 PS, 34,000 km and a year's warranty; this would cost around CHF 44,000, imported into CH.

Or a 15-month-old US import (most of them are ) ML 350 , again 306 PS, with a mere 13,500 km -- about CHF 47,000 after importation here.

Or this ML 350, 52,000 km and again 306 PS , which doesn't appear to be an "import" and would cost around CHF 44,000 imported into Switzerland.

This might help you decide for an Outback vs a Forester:

http://www.planetsubaru.com/forester-vs--outback.htm

Its like the answer to every question is SUBARU

Paddy - any reason you're looking at an SUV in particular? What are your key buying decisions:

- budget?

- size?

- luxuries/toys?

- performance?

- economy?

- new/used?

I would consider a 2nd-hand, which is why the Evoque question arose ( This caught my eye). A forester XT is not a must-have, it's just a 2nd-hand XT came up on Autoscout in my price range . Germany is quite a trek for me; I'm really trying to stay within the Fribourg/Bern area.

so who do you want to be:

or

But... that... that's... a WHITE SUV!!! The price is very good, though, for such a late-model, low-km car. But it's a white car. A white SUV.

Germany really isn't that far away for a one-off trip. And think how much fun you'd have driving your new Forester down the Autobahns.

I'm confused. Which one of those is the second-hand Evoque? And which one is around Fribourg?

Somewhere in-between, maybe?

Colour is not a problem for me. Comfort, safety, driveability, reliability, can I get my bike in/on it? That's what I'm looking for. Price-range is also a factor, obviously; I'm looking at 45k absolute tops

I like the ride height of SUVs and just feel vulnerable in anything smaller and lower. Also, with my chronic hip and back problems, acess is an issue. My wife prefers the elevated driving position too.

Suggestions in the class:

Audi Q5

BMW X1/X3

Infiniti FX

LR Evoque/Freelander

Mazda CX7

Merc GLK

Mini Countryman

Nissan Juke

Subaru Forester

Volvo XC60

VW Tiguan

Non-full class SUVs, from 2010, under 35k with <70k on the clock.