Swiss bread - how do they manage???

If my rats could fly i would be a millionair

chicken to you iguana to me!! (mexico) I mean; ducks to you rats to me

Have you been drinking lol

what else you wanne know ??

That's what I call pigeons.

Back to the subject though, Ruchbrot from Manor keeps at least until the next day for me, as long as I keep it in the wrapper it comes in (after cutting, put it back in the wrapper, cut end first).

Well I think that if you've just arrived in Switzerland from a country that will offer white bread "wit nowt ta'en out" or super sandwich style bread that stays fresh for ages then the bread in Switzerland will seem either great because it's supposedly real bread or rubbish because it doesn't stay fresh for long. I disagree with the suggestion that Swiss bread is great though, if you arrive here from Germany then you may find the bread here to be rubbish and in my opinion, most of the bread you can buy here is absolute crap. You can forget all of the junk they sell you in supermarkets, it's tasteless, either rock hard or soft as putty, it will be rock hard within a day of purchasing and if you try to keep it in a bag to keep it moist it will go mouldy very quickly. The only decent bread you can buy in a supermarket is the freshly baked stuff from Coop and even that's not great. For good bread, you need to either make it yourself or buy it from a proper bakers shop. They do exist here but you have to look for them.

Sorry if I offend anyone that thinks Swiss bread is great, it's just my opinion but after living with German bread for over a decade I feel qualified to compare Swiss to German and I think German bread wins hands down.

When in Rome ...

What kind of bread are you buying? Also do you really want a loaf of white bread or is it brown or even 'vollkorn' you are looking for.

Büerli are supposed to have hard crusts, if you want soft you need to move to Silser. I.e. try Silser Kranz from Migros. Also try the sunflower loaf from co-op. There is always Globus on Bellevue too.

I quite agree. I used to love Mother's Pride (toasted with butter and Marmite, yum!), but since living here and in Germany I wouldn't class it as a bread any more but more as a savory snack if you get my drift.

There is nothing to beat a good Brezel with butter.

I'm glad I'm not the only one going through this bread crisis. I just moved here and everything I buy is suitable only for the duck game!!

So whats the closest thing to brown granary bread that we get in England? Any suggestions would be great....including giving up eating bread all together!

You won't offend anyone because it's your opinion, personally I think German bread is crap!

Many years ago I met a Frenchman who swore that the measure of a good bread was how many days it kept and was still edible. Mind you that by this measure much French bread (e.g., the beautiful white baguettes) is also garbage.

Good bread in Switzerland: (1) epeautre (translates as "spelt wheat") at the Maison du ble et du pain in Echallens; (2) I just discovered the seigle (rye) at Confiserie Moutarlier in Lutry (they are also in Lausanne and Chexbres). These are the only 2 that pass the Frenchman's test that I've had here.

I echo the sentiments about German bread - excellent excellent bread up there.

so we may be about to start a flame here on the subject of ... bread! I never guessed i'd live to see the day ...

Actually there is an important point here for me and that is; in England bread loaves are usually good and bread rolls are usually bad. In Germany and here it is the other way round. (excluding vollkorn)

Just to clear things up, no ducks were harmed. They were rather good at dodging the day-old Swiss bread

I'm so pleased.

It is frustrating that the bread goes hard so quickly, but then that's the way it should be.

My thrifty tips on the matter are:

- If you can't eat the whole loaf in one sitting, slice it and freeze it. It defrosts quickly at room temperature and is great for toast or fondue.

- Alternatively, slice thinly or cube the bread and dry it out in the oven to make crostini or croutons

- Buy some 'bake-it' bread for emergencies. It keeps for a few weeks and can be baked in about 10 minutes on demand.

Voilà!

Migro does fresh baked loaves in whole grain. They are unsliced, but keep at least 2-3 days. I use that when I have guests and want to give them some decent fresh sandwich type bread.

Coop also do a whole grain sliced (vitalife i believe was already mentioned, plus another brand). They are relatively soft and keep for a week or so before getting really crumbly. That is what we use as a substitute and they are not too bad.

If you want bread for making sandwiches (or similar), and if you're not a "crusty roll" type of person, then sadly, yes. From what I can tell, the Swiss like their bread to require a bit of commitment to eat.

Closest I've been able to come is making subs with the Olivenbrot from Coop. However, you still only get 12-24 hours to use it before it goes stale.

Frankly, even if it is full of preservatives, or whatever, I find the various different styles of Molenberg, Helgas, Burgen, Noble Rise, etc, bread back in Australia to be better in terms of flavour, texture, variety and longevity. But that's probably because my main uses for bread are sandwiches and toast.

Migros does an "XXL Toast", which is quite soft on the day you buy it and takes more than a day to go rock hard.

I normally cut the crusts off (I HATE crusts), spread on a little butter, on goes some fresh salad, a few slices of tomatoe, three rashes of bacon, a dash of tomatoe ketchup and a dab on mayonnaise..

Mmmmmh BLT.

I'd like to add a few words in defense of sandwich breads from English-speaking countries: not all breads that keep for more than a few days are pumped full of chemicals. I enjoy Swiss bread but sometimes it's so tough that eating a sandwich seems more trouble than it's worth, and I always get grief from locals if I ever express a desire for sandwich bread that isn't at least 50% crust by volume and doesn't cut my lips when I try to eat it. "Haha, silly English-speaking woman, any bread that is chewy or lasts for more than one day must be made of pure chemicals and will be unfit for human consumption!" Then they recommend something awful like the Texas XXL toast bread from Migros, which is what they seem to think everyone eats all the time in North America.

Preservatives do indeed keep manufactured breads from spoiling by preventing the growth of mould, but most don't really affect the moisture content of breads. European bakery breads tend to go dry quite quickly because the only wet ingredient in them is water, which is prone to evaporation. One day after baking, the water is pretty much all gone from the bread, and you have a stale loaf that's so dry and hard you could use it as a stake to drive through the heart of a vampire (in a pinch). (One notable exception is Zopf/tresse, which is made with butter, and will stay soft for many days if stored in a sealed bag.)

Many breads made in England/Ireland/North America, etc. contain some fat, which makes the bread a lot softer and chewier. Because oils and solid fats don't evaporate, breads made with water and oil will 'keep' (i.e. retain their softness) for a lot longer than ones made with water alone. Lots of commerical breads do also have additives (such as extra gluten, artificial preservatives, etc.) but there are plently of additive-free loaves around.

Case in point: my mother's homemade bread only has seven ingredients (whole wheat flour, white flour, yeast, sugar, salt, water and canola oil), and it will keep at room temperature for quite a long time so long as it's kept in a sealed bag. Even a few days after baking, it is quite nicely sliceable, and makes excellent sandwiches or toast.

It is true that there is a lot of crap bread in the English-speaking world (beware anything in a foil bag!), but not all soft and chewy breads are that way because of chemicals. There are some great-tasting sandwich breads made from all-natural ingredients, it's just that they don't make this type of bread here. (And I do make my own occasionally, but I'm not sharing any of it! )

Anywho. My 2p.

Heather

PS-To echo WorldFoodie's sentiments, the bread from Echallens is great!

There still in good healt for the hunting season??