Tesla EV discussion

BMW took the crown as Europe’s leading brand for fully electric vehicles for the first time ever in July.

August hasn’t been any kinder to Musk in Europe’s largest individual markets. Sales in France fell by half over last year’s month, while in Germany they plunged by two-thirds. Tesla volumes in August plummeted by a full quarter in the UK last month despite the fact that EV sales in the country recorded their best performance since December 2022, with registrations up 11% over last year’s period, accounting for roughly every fourth new vehicle sold.

It isn’t helping either that Musk is giving his traditional demographic of affluent progressives plenty of cause to eyeball his competitors’ offerings. Last month the Tesla CEO egged on UK race riots with divisive and incendiary language and even spread fabricated news on social media that prompted outrage in the country.

PwC analyst Steven van Arsdale, himself a Model Y owner, argues Tesla must soon launch new smaller vehicles practical for Europe’s cramped spaces and winding, narrow roads. Otherwise they risk losing more ground.

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The best thing musk can do is step down as CEO of Tesla and just be content to watch his stock immediately rise.

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I wonder how many 1 time tricks he hast still in the bag. The Hertz deal made swoon people around the world.

Back to CH, the resale price of used cars can impact more people than stock price. How’s the used car market?

Model Y is still the most sold car in Switzerland, AFAIK.

Since 2022, used Tesla car prices have been plummeting. Hertz’s dump of 30,000 Teslas and Tesla price reductions accelerated the drop in Tesla’s resale value. Investor in Tesla, Ross Gerber, claims he is unable to part with his used Tesla.

At least on autoscout, the prices for used Model 3 and Model Y are only slowly coming down.

It’s not like you can pick up a used, basic 2022 Model 3 für 20k.

I guess Ross owns a Model S or X from a couple of years ago - those deprecated hard.

But so did 2022 EQSs, which you can pick up for a 1/3 of the list-price…

But I feel for whoever financed either. :grin:

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I always wondered where did Comrade Muskovoch get his inspiration for the Cybetruck and finally it hit me…the russki garbage trailers!

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Hilarious!

Milo Rau opens a theater fesitival in Serbia, speech dedicated against lithium mining/German car industy and Olaf Scholz personally

Swiss director Milo Rau officially opened the 58th Bitef tonight, and in his address to the audience in Madlenijanum, he also spoke about the fight against lithium mining in Serbia.

This year’s festival, which is held under the slogan “Beauty will change the world”, began with the dance performance “Softening” by the Dance On Ensemble from Berlin, and Swiss director Milo Rau declared Bitef open before this performance.

His play “Antigone in the Amazon”, which is on Bitef next week, deals with the struggle of the Brazilian Farmers’ Movement - against modern mining companies. In his address, the director also spoke about the importance of the fight against lithium mining in Serbia.

"When I was at Bitef for the first time, exactly 10 years ago, in 2014, I drove through the former Yugoslavia in a small Volkswagen. This morning, when I arrived here, I heard that someone else arrived in Serbia this summer in a Volkswagen - it was German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. He came to promote the mining of lithium for the needs of the German automobile industry, not far from here, in the Jadra valley. Solz called on Serbs to make sacrifices for Europe, for so-called ‘sustainable’ energy. ‘Europe’ means, of course – Volkswagen. Displacement of 20,000 families and poisoning of fertile soil for future generations. Yes, that’s what ‘sustainable’ means – sustainable in death,” said the director.

He added that he came to Belgrade “with a Greek tragedy”.

"This time I didn’t come to Belgrade in a Volkswagen, I came with a Greek tragedy: the piece Antigone in the Amazon, about the struggle of the Brazilian Movement of Landless Farmers (MST) against modern mining companies - about the struggle of Antigone, the Theban princess, against her uncle Creon, the Greek Olaf Scholz . The Amazon is 10,000 kilometers from here, but we live in a globalized world: the same tragedy, the same wasteland is everywhere. “Like in a teenage monster movie, the same company, Rio Tinto, is mining lithium in Serbia and bauxite in the Amazon - minerals needed for a ‘sustainable’ future for Volkswagen,” he said.

He said that he thinks - and that this is the message of Antigone - that it is better to defend our country.

“Antigone’s fight is everywhere and her explicit NO to land grabbing is equally needed in Serbia as in Brazil. ‘Beauty will save the world’, a quote from Dostoyevsky’s Idiot, is the theme of this year’s Bitef. Chancellor Scholz, Volkswagen, Rio Tinto: they don’t want to save the world, they want to save their power and their bank accounts. In all countries, whether it’s Europe or Brazil, the very people who use the words nation and homeland the most - nationalists - will sell the beauty of their country to international investors. Yes, there is something terrible, monstrous, something horrible about us humans. Something that sometimes makes me feel the urge to sit up and scream. So please: let us all be like Antigone. Let’s all be like Dostoyevsky’s Idiot: let’s be naive, say NO to the deadly ideology of our time. We are fighting for Beauty, for the Beauty of life, for the Beauty of nature - our true homeland,” concluded the director.

The audience greeted the Swiss director’s speech with loud applause and shouts.

That has hit zero relevance to Tesla. It should be in the EV general thread - at best.

Will the Serbs also stop driving cars with oil, as the exploration, exploitation, transportation and transformation of oil also destroys habitats around the world?

Back to horse-carts and buggys?

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The Swiss director has no freaking idea who are you guys against to; the reality is like this - Serbia has some resources and some other guys must take advantages of. You’ll have to move some mountains to get past the commercial tribunals and the tons of money these companies will throw in the fight vs. people.
Imagine they’ve already sold your resources (which are not yet even extracted) for tens of billions on the stock market and have all the money and influence etc. Sad but true. You don’t know how deep this scheming can go. The “investors” can’t lose… anyway, good luck. Maybe there are miracles too!

…and when sodium (ie salt) takes over and lithium is worthless??

there is a simple answer to your straw man argument - why don’t you dig it in Germany, if you wish to use EVs?

i certainly cannot predict any outcome, but looking forward seeing the plans for excavation on German agriculture soil.

AFAIK, there are various projects in the exploratory phase for that.

As you know, it’s all about low hanging fruit first: Serbia‘s reserves may be the easiest to exploit.

Take this wrong way if you need to but that’s the kind of thing only a German would say.

I find your remark quite distasteful

Thank you Tom, cannot agree more.

no, none of them in Germany will result in massive relocation of population, polluted top-quallity agriculture land and water supply. Destroying (in this case) Serbian peoples’ livelihoods so that Germans can have their EVs. And since you keep comparing to oil, I don’t think Saudis and UAEs were affected badly by oil exploration on their soil.

So yes, we do have German automakers trying to please the newly emerging ‘clean conscience’ movements in the EU - we don’t polute our ‘EU garden’ with diesel any longer, instead we will get what we need from 3rd world countries, whether they like it or not.

Fortunately more and more voices like Milo Rau are seeing what is going on.

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Perhaps look at the story of the Niger delta though.

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not even close to a comparison. Niger delta is not exactly an agriculture land, and did not displace 50k population.