The EV thread

Worse than that. Hybrid = Two engines and two fuel storages. Both modes carrying excess weight.

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New registrations will be banned, not existing vehicles.

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A well designed hybrid will utilize the 2 engines to produce the necessary acceleration. Then by a constant speed only one motor is actually needed. Also smaller lighter fuel storage is needed.

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Many countries don’t have a mature charging network so a hybrid is ideal in those places.

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The only company that does this well and has reliable enough drivetrains is Toyota, but the droning CVT gearboxes are a major turn off.

I hate to admit but my Dacia Duster III is growing on me.
Took it up to the mountains last week, did all the bendy-wendy-cury-wurvy roads no problem what so ever.
A full tank gets me 1000km’s with 4,5 to 6 liter petrol p.100 kms.
I like the electric driving and if you overlook the cheapy build it has the potential to be a good car. The hybrid/electric/ice switches nicely and it is ok to drive.
But.
I amnot sure about the advantage of having all that tech for the hybrid to have the same range and consumption as the Astra diesel.

Thereby reducing rage, the single thing most people hate about EVs.

ICE is done. It’s just a question of how long it’s gonna coast along.

WLTP emission compliance.

Real-world, there will be little difference. Euro7 will further marginalize small, cheap cars like this as it will again increase the effort necessary to reach the lower target CO2 emissions.

Does saving the planet ring any bells?

Well, yes that bell really gave me tinnitus.
But please show me where the total ecological footprint of a hightech hybrid is smaller than that of a car like the astra diesel with a 150 years of development behind it.
My astra has 360.000 k’s on it in six years and I very much doubt this Dacia will last for 100.000
The point is if mankind wants to drive back to nature then burning stuff is the only way to do so and no amount of wishfull thinking in magical solutions is going to get us there.
If you really want to save the planet start by culling seven of the eight billion people and with your remaining billion have a strict one child for one death policy and revert back to horse plow subsistence farming.
There you go, Slammer has just saved the planet.

With a diesel only just 30 years ago your comparison would look significantly different. The same development will happen with hybrids, provided they have that long.

Hybrids have always been better

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60000 km a year over six years in a private car? This is not middle of the bell-curve behaviour and would not be sustainable if it was. A dinosaur in a diesel is still a dinosaur.

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Its a company car for a roving tecnician with the 1% rule, meaning I can use it as my own private jalopy.
60000 p a. isnt all that much, one time I had a bran new A4 and after three years it had 320000km.
I must admit though the hybrid is starting to grow on me. I like the go-kart acceleration, and the electric drive is realy nice in town and it has the petrol ice for that bit more zoom on the Autobahn.

Actually, Slammer as a roving tech, has clocked quit a few miles for business reasons. Assuming that most of it, from the high mileage, has been on the autobahn, I would say having a diesel makes sense. In this scenario the diesel motor has probably been utilized at it’s optimum speed. A diesel motor performs best at a high constant RPM, which is what occurs when one drives for long periods at highway speeds. It is for no reason that almost all trucks, large boats, construction vehicles, even tractors are diesels. Aside from the fact that diesels also provide superior torque.

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I get that but am still not sure an argument against
EVs holds up. Current ranges mean only a tiny minority of business car daily journeys make an EV difficult. Long distance trucking is an obvious sticking point and ships have genuine recharging issues. People were always coming up with technical problems for EVs - battery life too short, too slow, lousy acceleration, not enough torque etc etc. Now you can ride in an electric bus, charge at home, get at least ten years out of the battery, slaughter the opposition at the lights and feel good about the planet. Diesels are dirty: https://www.osha.gov/chemicaldata/801

I must disagree, I for one am generally 200 to 300 kms underway, sometimes only 50 to 100.
But!
In a typical day I have to satisfy three to four customers in three to four locations anywhere in Bavaria so I cant be spending hours per week trying to charge the car.
SLA’s are a bitch, so I have to be on site within two hours.

That‘s a problem for your employer to solve.

The Dacia is really the bottom of the barrel - they can’t really go cheaper anymore.

Once CO2 pricing increases in 2027, the numbers will start to add up.

Those clever Swiss! They’ve built an EV that never needs charging! And it is also the world’s largest EV!

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/page/why-the-worlds-largest-e-car-never-needs-to-charge-38785

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I am, and I cant believe I am writing this, beginning to like my Dacia Duster III, it has all the doo-dahs, gee-gaws, baubles and schnick-schnack you apparently need in a 21st century car and the designers seem to have mastered squeezing the most car out of the cheapest resources.
The omly real complaint I have is that I cant sling a big printer or scanner into the boot.

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