Am I allowed to disagree? Or at least to expand on what you wrote?
There are foods which should be eaten in extreme moderation (and which are not good for you in any quantity)
Bacon is one of those foods.
There are other foods which are healthy to consume safely, with benefits, everyday.
I will respectively disagree here.
Any amount of alcohol is bad for you. Any data which shows that moderate drinkers are healthier than tee-totallers was skewed by the fact that many tee-totallers were ex-alcoholics with irreparably damaged livers.
I eat bacon and I drink alcohol. But both in moderation and I am aware of the risks of colon cancer from eating too much cured and processed meat and the multiple health problems associated with alcohol.
The stress of being so buttoned up about diet and exercise can also take its toll on people. I walked away from progressing to national levels in swimming in my late teens partly because of the idiots gatekeeping on their favourite subject of sucking the joy out of everyoneās food.
Also, the training schedule was a killer and I was missing out on being a youngster and doing youngster shenanigans. But heyā¦
You also have to enjoy your food, accept that you are going to over indulge occasionally, and fall in and out of love with exercise over your years.
I agree, thereās delicious food that should be consumed in restricted amounts. So, use those opportunities to overindulge in something I actually love, not something just to satiate hunger. Porridge can do that, do not cause harm, and extremely cheap.
Some years ago, my brother-in-law, who suffered from terrible asthma and was always on the lookout to reduce his symptoms, went on the Hay diet (not combining protein and starch in any one meal) and sang its praises. Thereās absolutely no scientific evidence that this diet does anything useful. However, as he was often a guest and to show willing, we went on the Hay diet too, although we sometimes cheated and had macaroni cheese or cakes, etc. Weirdly, we all lost weight and felt more energetic. Maybe we just became a bit more thoughtful about how and what we ate, who knows?
AFAIK, no significant difference between never-drinkers and moderate drinking. Other factors beyond drinking take control of the amount of healthy years (years before onset of chronic illness).
As a NPC silent reader ā oops! ā I have to admit Iām having a blast on this topic.
True. Iām amazed this topic is way more controversial than @cubanpete and I arguing about what stocks and trades are best in a different topic on this forum. We agree more than we disagree (at least I feel so) ā the same seems far fetched to observe here.
What science? Food science? The study of food and body metabolism seems to me about as advanced as the alchemy search for gold and HOMUNCULI a couple of centuries ago.
As we all know any āscienceā that has the word science to describe it as a science (letās say āsocial sciencesā, āpolitical scienceā, āmanagement scienceā) are not sciences. Quite the opposite.
ā signed, a physicist
Having thrown a bit of lighter fuel into this discussion Iāll see myself out before the flames reach me. Got a date with Minnie, probably involving a few alcohol based drinks, too, see you later ā¦
Iāve had to cut out a number of foods since having my gallbladder out 12 years ago. Anything deep fried and Iām paying for it the following day, itās the same with mushrooms, both make me reach for Immodium Instant. Iād love to be able to say no food is bad, but believe me you donāt want bile acid malabsorption
Now that we have booze, I was thinking to bring some tobacco in the discussion to really get the party started
P.S. for example, itās good for weight loss as an appetite suppressant and a killer of tastebuds.
P.S.2 Got a nice, slim Toscano Antico here to go with my brisk evening walk; real pleb cigar, hand-rolled (thought was machine), Italian Kentucky-style tobacco, woody and smoky notes, and enough nicotine to kill a bull moose. And cheap!
If, like Slammer, you are into weightlifting at the gym, itās the carbs which fuel the muscles into lifting heavier weights and lifting progressively heavier weights (or more reps which also needs carbs) leads to muscle hypertrophy.
And know you do:
No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health
The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented. The World Health Organization has now published a statement in The Lancet Public Health: when it comes to alcohol consumption, there is no safe amount that does not affect health.
I eat bacon. I cook English breakfasts with sausages, bacon, eggs etc, I eat everything that is not very good for you. I live to eat. I love food.
But, I donāt eat those things everyday and I am aware they are not good for you.
What I donāt eat much of is UPF.
Itās not really a conscious decision as I cook from scratch as often as I can.
I drink alcohol in moderation - not by choice - because of my age, it takes longer to metabolise.
Many smokers are skinny as nicotine supresses hunger but thatās not the same as losing weight through smoking.
Quite the opposite, of being a way of losing weight, smoking increases levels of belly and visceral fat.
I also read that press release some months ago (or last year?). When you go to the article, the "lightā consumption is defined as less than 2 wine bottles a week, or 3.5L (7 beers) a week. I reach that level in overindulging periods, but Iād be 5kg heavier or more if I kept the sporty pace long term.
Last time I had a bacon sandwich was before OH had his accident. He wanted to buy some when we were shopping on Saturday but I talked him out of it. Before Brexit I used to bring back smoked back and pork sausages from a family butcher in Scotland which has sadly now closed after 136 years of trading.
I donāt know how long weāll last out but as weāve lost 4 stones between us in the past 3 months weāre aiming to keep it off. He canāt drink alcohol at the moment and Iāve cut way back to a minimum in support.
