Like a dog with a bone. Yes, we all have to assess our own situation. My grandchildren have recently had Covid.
As said, within the rules, we will have to make our own decisions. And mine is not to go to pubs and restaurants, as it does not make sense to go to crowded places, with people who vax status I do not know.
Of course it's your choice. Personally I'll both go to public spaces (including hockey next week ... go EVZ!) and have family over for Christmas.
I was simply querying the original apparent implication that going out was somehow irresponsible, and that visiting family is safer. We've suffered too much from irrationality around covid.
JackieH, you determined to go, nothing is going to stop you so why are we having this conversation anyway ?
You seem fully aware of the rules and that they may change and that you may have to quarantine somewhere for an unspecified time and at a cost to yourself and nobody else.
The UK shut down very abruptly last time and people had to quarantine for 10 days in very shitty hotels with very shitty service and very shitty prices, i think it was around GBP2k per person with small discount for married couples sharing 15SQM (with 20 minutes walk around the car park time per day)
Of course we have ID cards and passports- but this is not proof of residency- the French Border Guards at the Tunnel in JUly asked us for proof of residency- so I am glad we had them. Not for th Swiss Border, but for transit through France.
Biro, this thread was not started by me, and is not about me- but a general discussion. And yes, we are prepared to deal with any consequences, including quarantine. We have our own flat in the UK.
AS you say, a passport/ID card only proves your nationality, ever commune in Switzerland will issue, usually for a cost, an "Attestation de Domicile" it is a document proving you life where you say you do, it is used often at the notary for opening a company, it can be used for insurance purposes and many other things too.
All communes will issue them.
I believe last time in UK you had to be in Govt approved hotel (at your cost)
In most countries is the ID card the default way to proof residency. That the new Swiss "Ausländerausweis" dont come with the address on it is absolutely bizarre to me and causes lots of extra bureaucracy... Does even a Swiss passport not have an address in it?
No, and neither does my other passport*, as I don’t live there anymore. In fact I didn’t live in that country at any time during it’s valitity. A passport and ID card shows my Swiss nationality, not residence.
Does your passport show an address?
*There is a place on the last page for me to write my address, if I want.
I understand JackieH's frustration that this thread is not about her and her personal circumstances. I get that, but genuinely is something more than showing a Swiss passport required to get one home? I assumed that returning to CH on my Swiss passport would always allow me entry (subject to any other regulations like PCR tests etc), but now it seems proof of residency is also required. Is that correct?
You have your "place of origin " in passport - but it doesn't matter as being Swiss you are always entitled to enter the country no matter what - until your citizenship is revoked.
Yes, both German ID card and passport have address on it and that's pretty official. I once moved to Switzerland and kept a residence in Germany (You can only have one place of residence in CH, but in Germany can you have multiple). Had the upside that I could get all my official stuff done at my home town instead of driving to the German embassy in Berne... on the downside did the border guards sometimes refuse to stamp my shopping papers when entering Switzerland to get the German tax back.
This time I deregistered completely and got a nice sticker on my ID card where the address used to be with an official seal and "not currently residing in Germany" on it.
Not having the residence on the Swiss ID card is an absolute pain. I needed to change my driving license to a Swiss one. The cantonal Verkehrsamt cant see from their computer or my ID card where I live... so they dont know if I live in their jurisdiction. As a result do I have to take a physical form, take it to my Gemeinde, get it stamped (for a fee) and physically return it. Total insanity... and its not a case of "we always did it like that"... the old, paper based residence permits had the address printed on them.
Of course, you can always enter Switzerland with your Swiss documents. But we are talking about the French letting a Swiss into France (enroute to CH) without proof of residency in Switzerland.