treacle?

Cool, thanks for the recipe link.

This was an uncharacteristic thread for EF

Within only 4 hours I learnt what it is, where I can get it and how to make it myself!

I'm impressed and grateful. I might hang around here for an other year.

PS: Grumpy, you should sell this. It's gotta be easy to stock ...... like for ever if necessary.

I often have it in stock, but sold out earlier this month, should get more in January.

What is the recipe for treacle tart btw? No that it would be good for my diabetes, I am sure.

Make a tart base and fill it with Golden Syrup (NOT black treacle), egg, flavourings as preferred. Bake.

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/treacle-tart

Yes, this is a fairly good substitute for golden syrup. Here's something more or less the same in Migros:

https://shop.migros.ch/de/supermarke...E&gclsrc=aw.ds?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvZaAz-Th7QIVTYKDBx1IsQ-TEAQYASABEgL3yfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)

In my opinion neither comes anywhere close to the glory of Tate and Lyle's, but they do for baking. If I'm not mistaken, the true golden syrup is made from sugar cane, whereas the Coop and Migros subsititues shown here are made from sugar beet. And neither is, of course, treacle.

And here's an article describing the differences, light and dark, and uses, and swapping in recipes.

"How does treacle differ from molasses?"

https://www.spiceography.com/treacle...golden%20syrup .

Mine is very similar to this one but my mum’s handwritten version, I use oats rather than breadcrumbs as that’s how she always made it.

It is certainly sweet but not really any more so than flapjack. I don’t make it very often as hubby is diabetic but it is one of T’s favourites as it reminds him of grandma so it is a special occasion type of thing.

https://www.food.com/recipe/treacle-tart-140702

Ah thanks, never heard of it made with oats rather than breadcrumbs.

Yes, only make flapjacks as snacks for grandkids skiing packed lunches. Sadly treacle tart has egg, so not suitable for them as grandson highly allergic to egg.

Unless someone has an eggless recipe? That would be grand.

Later Edit - looked, found

https://lucysfriendlyfoods.com/2015/02/05/treacle-tart/

Same thing, cane sugar is no different from beet sugar.

Tom

I get it at the health food stores, that exact one!

Tom

Jims also have it, but they are now closed until next year.

I never use egg in my pastry, I just make a regular shortcrust pastry and then add the filling.

Maybe you're right. I wonder what makes it taste different, then.

The egg is in the (enriched) pasty, just use a different pastry for the base.

My Mother used crushed cornflakes rather than breadcrumbs or oats in the filling.

I used to work for Tate and Lyle at Silvertown, London. Refined sugar is identical regardless of whether it comes from beet or cane. It's called "refined", but when it comes from cane, it's just cleaned and all impurities drawn away. Some of those drawn away impurities are used to produce treacle and Lyle's Golden Syrup (green tin). The factory used to make supermarket own brands of Golden Syrup as well - but here's the thing: they made it starting with refined sugar.

I've checked, and you can make your own Golden Syrup and Treacle. Search for recipes online. It won't be exactly the same as that made during the cane refining process, but it looks to be not too far off.

What's the groan for, MusicChick?

Perhaps that it's not possible for white sugar to taste different if it's from cane as opposed to beet, because they're chemically identical.

Coop do mincemeat now!

Where is it? With the cake making stuff or elsewhere?

Thanks.

Perhaps you're right that that's the reason for MusicChick's groan. If so, then what very odd behaviour of hers. Oh well, sigh.

Here's an interesting article which says that in their researched group, a significant difference (P < 0.05) was identified between beet and cane sugar sources when evaluated by aroma-only and taste and aroma without nose clips. However, there was no difference when tasted with nose clips.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25124655/

Perhaps that's the answer to my question addressed to Tom, about why, if there is no difference, they taste different. Since I've always detected a difference, perhaps it is merely that I noticed that they smell different, and this gave me the convincing impression that they taste different.

From what I’ve gathered it is only in a few specific coops, they don’t have it in any of the coops here not even the ‘hypermarket’ one in town,