Unclassified UFO related Material

The US government has released ‘confidential’ data on UFOs and OVNIS.
For those interested in ‘other’ lives. If any.

Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters | U.S. Department of War

p.d. I only checked a couple of photos. They look pretty natural phenomena to me, or evidence of human espionage technology. I think the release should be coupled with an excerpt on mass manipulation techniques through direct (news) or indirect (films, books, etc) events, as well as major political or social events occurring in parallel with the UFO observations…

Same blurry pics from decades ago.

There is a lot of things in the world we don’t understand and we can’t explain (yet). The “yet” is full optimism. The only change along time is the name: spirits, angels, demons, elves, UFO, UAP…

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It’s the same with ghosts - almost everyone has a camera on them at all times but we don’t see more, or any ghost photos, do we?

Same with miracles, fairies and angels…

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This is because they are all made out of dark matter, so naturally we can’t see them.

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Remember at the start of the digital camera revolution wher people started getting pictures of mysterious winged flying “rods” and it was speculated that these new fangled digital cameras were taking pictures of beings from another dimension?
Pictures were published in newspapers, books were written, people thought they were demons (in the US mainly) others thought they were otherworldly supernatural entities and tried to communicate.

Then it was found out that they were bugs and birds flying faster than the refresh rate of the cameras of the day.

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In the 18th century, the vast majority of European scientists rejected the idea that rocks could fall from the sky. Reports of meteorites were often dismissed as primitive peasants superstitions.
The venerable and highly respected French Academy of Sciences argued “stones do not fall from the sky because there are no stones in the sky.”
After the well-documented L’Aigle meteorite fall, the scientific consensus changed completely.
No surprise if today’s ‘scientific consensus’ about aliens not existing will in 200 years time be seen as bs as well.

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In the 18th - 19th century, the vast majority of scientists rejected the idea that gold could be created in alchemy labs (despite hundreds of years of earlier attempts). Reports of gold created in such labs were often dismissed as quacks primitive scientists making unverifiable claims.
The venerable and highly respected community of astrophysicists & astronomers as well as nuclear physicists in the past 50 years came up with the theory of gold being created in nuclear star mergers. This was confirmed in 2017 when gravitational wave detectors (LIGO/Virgo) and telescopes observed a binary neutron star merger (GW170817). The light spectrum from this event provided the first direct evidence of heavy elements, including gold, being forged in the debris.
No surprise if today’s ‘scientific consensus’ about gold not being created in home alchemy labs will in 200 years time be seen as bs as well.

Your are confusing nuclear transformations with chemical reactions which which are available in home alchemy labs. Commercial formation of gold by nuclear transformation is not possible today.
What is technically possible does change over time, theoretical limitations can be breached by new ideas but there seems to be a real problem at the moment with BS. Physics must take a lot of the blame for this. Parallel universes? Dark matter? Cats alive or dead? That latter thought experiment was designed to show the absurdity of the quantum world, not to offer insight into the nature of reality. The consequences of this type of thinking are the “alternative realities”. Physics can have fun sorting out the issues. In politics it leads to big problems.

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Not sure that’s true.

Professor Stephen Hawkins said he believed they existed.
He also said that we should make no attempt to contact them.

Sure thing.

Call me up in 200 years.

— signed, Goofy, yours truly, an actual ETH educated physicist, not to brag … :wink:

No problem. Wanna give me the money for the phone call now?

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Wait a min, there is no such thing as scientific consensus about aliens not existing. When someone says “X” don’t exist, is basically “I looked for X in this room and I did not find X”.

That’s easy when you look for the car keys in the living room, because we have eyes to see the keys and the living room can be explored in a reasonable amount of time.

Proving that something does not exist in the universe is practically impossible because the universe is practically infinite. No one has seen a boundary of the universe (yet), thus we have not looked at all “rooms” in the universe to tell aliens do not exist.

All we can say, if that we used our eyes and instruments to look for aliens within Earth and nearby places, therefore no aliens in Earth or nearby places. Anyway, if the search is not looking at the right place or measuring the right thing, the “alien” may be there but stays undetected.

Considering how big the universe is in terms of space and time, there may be or have been aliens out there. If others live a million years ago, they’re probably gone by now and we look around, it looks like if nothing ever happened. So, it’s basically impossible to prove that aliens don’t exist. But, proving they do exist is 99.9% impossible. In practical terms, the answer is we don’t know and will probably never know unless our conscience can last extremely long periods of time, or we can see far far away, and then process all that data. The question will have an answer when we can reduce the universe to the size of a living room and tell with confidence: damned car keys are not here.

If one day (before 200 years) aliens show up or are found, it will be the ultimate serendipity. I doubt it will be result of research. Just pure dumb luck. Research as we know it, it’s useless.

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Please call toll free anytime at 1-800-AUR-7979.

This.

I’m unfortunately in the glass-half-full camp believing that this argument makes it past the local “science community” and rational arguments following … but maybe the forum surprises me.

I’ll put down an entire Rappen on this happening as the community matures as we speak!

I kind of tend to believe that life exists all over the place.
We look for them by listening to radiowaves or light.
But.
Perhaps (as Douglas Adams) postulates they are a hyperintelligent shade of blue, perhaps they are Mattresses, those friendly, dim-witted, docile creatures capable of globbering.
Pethaps they are interference patterns in gravitation.
What I am trying to say is that we are looking for aliens in our image, main sensory organs close to a brain, symetrical bodies. A sense of up and down. Would we recognize an alien, or be even able to see it?
Or, we are the first to achieve intelligence.

Or the last ones? :wink:

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Then I would expect to be able to see at least ghosts of technological signatures. Maybe a transmission from a long extinct civilization, a sport event that has been traveling for a billion years. Just as the voyagers will still be travelling through space long after earth is dead and lifeless, their communications are them saying: “hey look here, we lived too.” Or perhaps space as we view it, is too big for our idea of technology. Some astronomers speculate that we have created a 50 light year bubble where we could be detected, anything trying to detect something further will not be able to tell the difference between modulated radio waves and background radiation.

Our earliest human radio signals, dating back to powerful broadcasts around the early 1900s like Reginald Fessenden’s 1906 transmission, have traveled approximately 120 light-years into space. By May 2026, these signals form an expanding spherical “radio bubble” with a radius matching the time elapsed since then, as radio waves propagate at the speed of light.

120 Light Years is a small fraction of our galaxy.

120 ly is a bit optimistic, they may have traveled 120ly but are anly detectable inside a 50ly bubble.

We have absolutely no way of knowing what aliens can detect.