Unemployment - resign penalty

Visas, Permits, Passports and Naturalization
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Hello,

For "mental/happiness" reason I want to resign from my job. I would actually love to change career as I'm unhappy, every day.

Online it's written everywhere that because I will resign, I will have a penality of 3 months or so, but what is not specified is if those months gonna be postponed or skipped?

I mean, do they start paying my unemployment after 3 months, or they gonna pay my X ammount of unemployment moinths - 3?

I've been working 12 months so I have 9 months of unemploment, and of course I'm afraid that they won't be enough to reschedule my life.

If in addition I won't have 3 of them, it will be a really hard time..

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You lose them.

Tom

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Depending on salary level, you may not receive any money for 4 months. Those 3 months penalty days are 'used up' so not available at a later date.

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What is your nationality and permit status? That may be more important if you’re a non-EU national.

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Here order to avoid such financial problems:

1. Find a new job.

2. Sign contract for new job.

3. Resign old job.

4. Work happily during notice period as you know things will change soon.

5. Start new job and pass probation period.

6. Be happy.

The difficult parts are 1, 5, and 6. The rest is super easy.

Resigning w/o a having a new job lined up is not a wise idea.

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Shouldn't make any difference whatsoever.

@OP: As already stated, penalised days are lost, not recoverable later. So for the first three months you'll get no money from them, but will still have to comply with all their rules, at risk of losing even more days if you don't.

And it's worth bearing in mind that the hoops that RAV will make you jump through may be a lot worse than whatever is causing your 'mental/unhappiness' in your current job, and may seriously harm your mental health. You may be much better off seeing your doctor and getting signed off sick, then looking for a better situation at that point.

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Hello,

Thanks everybody for the answer.

I'm European with a permit B.

Fact is that i'm unhappy with my carrer, it depress me.

It makes me miserable every day.

I want to change it, but I have no experience nor education for others.

How can I find time to learn a new job, while being stuck all day in an other job, which just leave me numb and demotivated?

That's why I need to resign and use this unemployment time to study something new.

I also don't speak French so is not gonna be easy to find an other random and healthier job.

And I don't want RAV to force me to find the same job, that would mentally kill me.

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You are expected to look for a job while receiving unemployment benefits, not study something new.

Then best not go on unemployment benefits.

What is your current job, and why does it make you unhappy?

Tom

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If you could absorb a drop in pay, why not look for another job which offers part time and use the remaining time to study something new?

Or, if not, take up some studies in the evening / weekends. OK, it will increase your workload BUT at least you can tell yourself it's not forever and it is a means to a better end.

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If you are studying/do further education you are not unemployed and thus in general not eligible for unemployment benefits. There are certain few circumstances where RAV pays for further education. But "I do not like my old job" is not one of them.

RAV has just one simple goal: To get you of unemployment benefits ASAP. Because of that you are obliged to accept any reasonable job offer.

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Decide what you want, start an education in the evening, get papers and then change career. I myself have done 7 years of evening school, it is not fun but if you schedule your life properly easily doable. If your study only can be done in day time, you have to consider finding a job which allows you to do so (night guard for example, and if you are in luck you can do a ton of school stuff during work.)

RAV will not tolerate that you resign and start a study so you cannot work, this is not what RAV is to be used for and you'll end up getting nothing.

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If you have an Doctor's letter corroborating the whole mental happiness thing, you should be able to avoid being docked, but it may require spending money on seeing a therapist first. I'd ask around for what specifically is required though.

If you don't mind me saying, one big thing you're missing is a plan. You're unhappy with your current career and want to change. Yet, you've not said what to, let alone how you might enable that, only that not speaking the local language it may not even be viable for you to do so in Switzerland. I'd work all that out first before taking the leap, if I were you.

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I would redesign your aspirations whilst you have a job, it is seriously difficult in Switzerland at the moment and not a time to walk out of your job. I know personally of many people who have been looking for employment for up to 3 years and they have experience and are well qualified, including those born here..

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Not sure about your financial situation, but have you considered taking sabbatical? Is it just the job or the working environment bothering you? Or is it something to do with the Winter blues?

I have been in a similar situation in the past. In my case the main reason was bad working environment. I was depressed & demotivated because of one insecure supervisor who was micro managing & constantly harrasing me. I was in such a fragile state of my mind that I just decided to quit the job without thinking about the consequences. I was so much demotivated that I really wanted to quit my profession. I was quite new to Switzerland and it was my first job in this country. The situation was so bad that all I wanted to do was to go away from that workplace at the earliest. Luckily my RAV advisor was quite nice and I was able to find a new contract within 5 months.

When you fill RAV registration form- you are required to mention the reason why you resigned from your job. For voluntary resgination cases- the penalty days vary between 31-37 days. It depends upon the reason & your RAV advisor before they decide on penalty days. If I remember correctly I was given 31 days penalty.

So worst case 37 days. Add 5/10/15 days of waiting to that. So worst case you will not get anything for 52 days- which is roughly 2.5 months... Well.. I know its tough but C`est la vie

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@deeniel

Have you worked your way through this thread: https://www.englishforum.ch/other-ge...-chomage.html?

It contains quite a lot of info about, and advice for, a person who resigned and went to claim unemployment. Reading all that might help you assess what would face you, if you did the same.

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Ty you for an actual real life experience, and not just bringing me down, as if I MUST work and shut up.

There is a mentality where people must have guessed the carrer of their dreams since they were 5, and for them it's impossible that somebody, in a young ages, realise that they are not in the correct path, and want to change their destiny before it's too late and find their self 50 and full of regrets and sadness.

yeah is 4 years that I'm in this field and i'm unhappy.

1 year in this company, and i was hoping to find a change, that maybe was the old company kind of boring. I mean here I have lot of beneficts (but working enviroments full of problems), and i'm unhappy, everyday. more and more.

I have no interest in the field anymore, to keep myself updated and learn, and this in the long run will create problem to the company as well.

So it's better for everybody if I resign, before becoming a parassite who sucks money out of the company and just try to make his way to the end of the day.

Yeah therapist etc gonna take too long etc. I guess I just face the

consequence, just kind of unfair this system that force u to keep a job you don't like, and they will just force u to find an other one in the same field. Some social/humanitarian part is missing here. Cause not everybody want to be lazy and get money. Some wants to try to change their life, while being helped to pay the rent, after all the contribution they payed.

What's the point of pushing to an other job I hate? make a company lose time, hire me, train me, spend money on me, just to be drepssed and resign after 3 months?

I don't see how this works.

And I appreciate your opinion, always need different point of view.

But yeah I have no plan as im afraid of taking a decision, to end up again in a "dead end" like now, where i'm not incentivated to actualy try again, but shut the f... up and sock in the depressing job. That's why i'm afraid.

I have many interest in life, and I'd be willing to try and fail few of them.

But is not how the society mind set is designed, from what i am experiencing so far.

And i could easily learn french more easily anyway if they pay me a course and i face the language each day. I'm one of the many working in international organisation, and meeting only english speaker people.

I know and understand french, just can't make a fluent sentence yet, as I barelly use it. Just need to put myself in the game.

And so far i've found easily 2 jobs in switzerland, being young and with only a high school diploma. I don't say will be easy, but I have motivation and I find my way.

Yeah but is 4 years that I try, and I can't while my energy are drained out 9 hours per day in front of a screen. I get home, sad, depressed, burning eyes. I can't bother to do anything, let alone go online and understand my life.

I'm 25, I think i've already waited too long in an unhelathy mind set. What's the point?

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In all fairness, none of what you write above is the responsibility of the RAV. They are purely there to support you if you find yourself without work, until you get a new job. They are not there to keep you afloat until you figure out what you want from life.

If you are genuinely burned out or suffering from mental health issues then there are other avenues you can take. You would need to see your doctor, get a referral then apply for a different social benefit. This is NOT the RAV's domain.

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Well and good, but RAV are not going to pay you to study. They’ll only pay you if you’re spending most of your time trying to land a new job. That means applying for around 10-12 jobs a month which have to be documented so you get the next payout from them.

Before you do anything you need to have a plan of how you’re going to go about whatever you want to do in the future. If you want to stay in Switzerland then that’s likely going to be finding another job and perhaps studying something else in your spare time. If studying is what you really want to do then you’ll either need to be able to fund it yourself through savings and get a student permit or you’ll have to look at moving elsewhere to do it.

If you’ve found other jobs easily then accept one of those as an interim measure. It would get you out of your current situation, avoid RAV altogether, get you into a new environment and give you time to decide what you really want to do and how best to achieve that.

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Firstly, lots of people change career at different points in their lives. I did so in my late twenties and I've known others who have done so in their thirties, forties and fifties. The 'evolve or die' nature of the modern marketplace makes this increasingly inevitable.

Get off the cross, someone needs the wood.

So far all you've got is the bit about escaping your current job and that's it, from what I can see. If you're sure about wanting to change career and not just your workplace, then make a plan and follow it. You don't need any of this nonsense about not wanting to become a parasite to justify your decision; either you want to change to something else or you don't. Just be sure you know what you actually want to do.

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No problemm. People are here to help each other.

RAV/ORP is a privilege that not many countries have.. In the UK irrespective of how much you earned in past 2-5-15-20 years, you will get paid just 71 pounds a week as an unemployment benefits. However somethings are great there- like free health insurance (NHS) etc.. In Switzerland you have some fixed montly expenses like Medical Insurance/ALV etc.. So life gets bit difficult here if you dont have a job or financial support. If you go to RAV/ORP you get paid a lot but you dont get the complete freedom to decide on what you want to do with your career. Ofcourse they encourage you to start your own business but they just support you for 3 months if thats what you want to do..

You are 25..Very young..So if you are really unhappy with your profession you could try changing it. You could invest 2-3 years doing what your mind & soul really wants to do. If you fail, you could still rebuild your life. Things get difficult as you get older. Not sure about your monthly obligations but think before you take the plunge.

Do you think you will be able to support yourself (and your family if you are married) while you chase your dreams? What is that really bothers you in this current job? Reading from your last posts- I think its just the boredom and lack of motivation which is making you think that way.

I dont know if its gonna work but try taking 3 months sabbatical and go traveling to some new place. Sometimes taking a long term break helps you rejuvenate. Try consulting a doctor and be honest with him about how you feel about your job etc. I am sure they will be able to help you.. I dont think there is any point in blaming the system. I know RAV/ORP is a sweet trap. But if you are determined to change your profession, you should bring yourself out of your comfort zone. Remember- no pain, no gain..