Whats the best 4WD available in Switzerland

Why do you need a 4WD? Most people don't know how to use them properly and seem to have the attitude that 4WD is some kind of magical thing that will not only get them out of trouble, it will keep them out of trouble. Mostly, it just allows the average owner to get into trouble quicker or in more remote places. I can't tell you how many 4WD's I've seen abandoned in a ditch by the side of the highway when a major storm rolls through a large metro area. If you aren't comfortable driving in the current road conditions, you'd be better off staying at home than thinking 'Oh, I have 4WD, everything will be fine'. You'd be better off spending the money on a more sensible vehicle and getting some driving lessons.

Stick with the BMW but for the price of the even the cheapest BMW X5 you could have a BMW 330d Touring 4x4 stacked full of extras... and a german built one instead of a US one. And no great bulk, and lovely looks, fantastic handling etc etc etc etc

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Whether someone has the intelligence to drive the car they choose is another subject entirely, surely?

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Yes, I can say that all the Audi Quattro's I have owned have been very magical. Fantastic to drive, great feedback, fantastic control, driven through some really bad conditions, oh what no accidents....!

How about we put that theory and generalisation in the bin where it belongs. Sweeping statements that label all people that drive a certain type of car is just plain stupid. Most people on the planet are born with common sense and guess what most of the time they use it.

Thinking skills, dear, thinking skills. Did I say ALL people? The point of my post was to encourage some critical thinking regarding the OP's need for a 4WD vehicle. In my experience, most people do not know how to properly drive in adverse condtions, let alone know how to use a 4WD properly. Does my experience invalidate my opinion? It sounds like you have the driving skills (I assume) to handle yourself on the road in adverse conditions. Bully for you! However, your skills do not transfer to many others who do not. As with riding a motorcycle, superior driving skills will keep you safer than any gimmick (i.e. loud pipes or flashing headlights), esp one you might not know how to use. Apologies for rear-ending your ego.

I wouldn't give a stuff about the carbon footprint but that's just me.

Whilst I like the BMW xDrive range (X5, X1, 3 series X drive), as a 4WD drive car they are not that great.

The BMW (and Subaru, most Audis, VW) use systems that are essentially very advanced traction control with clever multi clutches.

Land Rovers (apart from the Freelander), Landcruisers, Jeeps, Audi Q7 etc all use "proper" 4wd systems. The main difference being that the proper 4wd system will stop you from slipping/skidding; the others will only help to correct/stop a skid once it has occured.

If you just want a big SUV and you are not really worried too much about needing 4wd (99% of the time you will not need it) then get the BMW.

If you do care about getting anywhere you need to, get something else.

I live in the mountains and I have always been driving a Subaru Forester.. Simply the best .. Better than all the rest...

Does it hurt?

Whoa, you let the cat out the bag asking men their opinions on cars , most of us can't even agree of football teams!!

My must haves to suit Switzerland:

Diesel (so many hills will kill mpg on a petrol car)

Allroad (Constant 4wd in English speak)

Park distance control (a lot smaller roads and parking spaces here)

Zenon headlights (you never use highbeam here and lowbeam is cr*p on most cars)

Navigation system (a lot of one way streets and counter intuitive road design) (not manditory as aftermarket ones are good and not so expensive here)

Add your own requirements to the list and look at

http://www.comparis.ch/Carfinder/Marktplatz/Search.aspx (a good local site for unbiased prices on everthing)

load the list, leave the make and model blank and see what comes up, you may be surprised.

Problem with most bigger SUVs is that they're rather wide which often makes it difficult to park in the small parking spaces that are common here, while the smaller SUVs (Q5, X3, etc.) are quite small on the inside.

If you want space with a width that's still manageable I'd consider the Audi A6 or A6 allroad or the BMW 530i xDrive Touring. (Unfortunately the 535i ain't available here.)

The A6s with the new 3.0 TFSI supercharged engine are almost as powerful as the 4.2 V8, but quite a bit less expensive.

The best value on the market is probably the Subaru Outback which is almost as big as the A6 or the 530 and comes with a very nice and smooth 3.6L 6-cylinder flat engine.

Just educate yourself and find out that anthropogenic global warming is probably the biggest scam in the history of mankind. For starters just click here or google 'Climategate'.

Afterwards you won't feel guilty about your 'carbon footprint' anymore.

Another group thank you (sorry I can't work out how to do the individual "thank" thing)

This is all very helpful

I think the "Thanks"-button only appears after your 10th post or so...

picked up my quattro a4 avant 3.0tdi MT yesterday...today nice test with the snow we are getting in Zurich...ride was like on rails...who needs more....

That's rather strange, because the Maverick is about the same length and width as a 3-series BMW which is hardly a big car...

While you can get a 3-series BMW in a decent sized parking lot, doing the same thing with a car that won't allow you to see the car that's parked behind you is significantly more challenging.

Also, in Switzerland, a Peugeot 107 is considered a small car. A Ford Focus is considered a mid-sized car and a BMW 3xx is considered large(-ish).

dawiz

its about abilities you know

but seriously the car was like a train on rail.

A laser guided Subaru Turbo? (Ok, they're for Daddy Hooligans.)

Maybe a good old Pinzgauer. A true 4WD vehicle? Simplistic, sturdy, etc...

Exactly....we have a D3 and even the woman can park it.

4927 long 1855 wide - Audi A6 wagon (example)

4838 long 2022 wide - LR Discovery 3

So a D3 is 16.7cm wider but shorter than an A6 wagon.

An X5 is less than 8cm wider than the A6.

Seriously, they're not hard to park, it's just they appear to take more of the space because their mass does not end at chest level

Depends if you are looking for an SUV or a proper 4X4 vehicle with outdoor/offroad capabilities....

- best SUVs are Lexus, Toyota RAV, Subaru, Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Nissan, Mitsubishi, VW, Chevrolet, Jeep and some US or Korean cars ... Some vans have 4x4 temporary capabilities such as VW Sharan, Chrysler Pacifica, Chevrolet and Mercedes R Class or V class. European cars have the highest level of maintenance costs, the cheapest cost/km ratio being Toyota RAV , less than 0.80 CHF a km (found on tcs.ch).

- best 4X4s are Land Rover, Range Rover , Toyota Land Cruiser, Mitsubishi Pajero, Nissan Patrol, some Jeeps

If it is a CO2 concern Lexus 400H or 450h is the solution (no 7 seater). It is a SUV not a real off-road vehicle. real 4x4 have differential blocking capability (differential blocking means that all wheels have same speed , even when loss of adherence). This is used on rough terrain when one of the wheels starts spinning, on soft terrain, snow or sand for instance.

On snow, SUV with electronic detection of loss of adherence behave funny indeed. Shuting on and off permanently. It might be safer with a real 4x4 or even a basic front wheel drive. Using winter tyres helps a lot to change the behaviour of car on snow and ice. Do the test in winter.

For a real 7 seater, you are going to struggle hard. Economy and reliability should be considered along with insurance costs. Conclusion: you can buy a nice VW all wheel drive van at AMAG with 6 or 7 real seats and keep your children happy. If need be, seats can be easily removed and stored in the garage.