When stores open after you've gone to work, close by the time you get home from work... yes. you're being unrealistic. it leaves no time to get anything done except Saturday which becomes very stressful because you're running around trying to get everything done all at once, leaving just one day to relax -- Sunday. The end result is that the weekend is too short and you go back to work on Monday and you feel like you've not recharged at all.
They don't all have to rest at the same time.
The HB Migro has no M-Budget brands
Totally agree! And it should be Monday.
Again, I totally agree. But I wish the shops were all open so everyone getting in my way could just piss off to Migros.
Anyway, in Basel loads of small shops are open on Sundays (even until late!), Coop is open, Migros is open, and one if not both of the large-ish Asian shops are open.
To be honest, I don't think this is about food shopping. It's about shopping as a recreational activity. That's what people miss and that's what they want.
I guess the rationale is that if you can afford to get on a plane, you can afford the normal stuff.
Actually, I've been taking it since the beguinning of the discussion as in shopping in general. Hence my joke with PaddyG about *slob* fresh *slob* bread on Sunday mornings. Some others are also talking about Migros and Coop shopping... I only noticed one direct approach on shopping as a pure consumist intake. But I haven't had my afternoon caffeine yet, so might be reading wrong.
TEA TIME! ALRIGHT!
Don't most places have somewhere where you can get fresh bread on a Sunday?
We have loads of places fairly near to us and we're not in the big city.
The point is: I am asking for peace and quiet, with no workers nor shoppers on just one day each week.
You are asking for traffic, workers, shoppers on seven days each week.
I find your attitude completely unacceptable.
So, where are they stashing these hb-based planes then?
And it's been a very long time since taking a train has been a prestigious affair...
They're not stupid, it's known that only hb and Flughafen shops are open Sundays, so they only stock premium products. And then of course this also leads to the hell-storm of people in the very tight space - all in all a very needlessly unpleasant experience.
Actually, you don't end up with traffic or noise by having things open Sunday... Most, if not all other developed countries have abandoned the Sunday closures and guess what, they haven't burst into flames, no mass firings, no corollated bankruptcies and it's still quiet on sundays - just with the option to both not starve on Sunday and avoid the Saturday rush.
Coming from the states I had a lot of friends that actually wanted to work on Sundays and have another 2 days off somewhere else. I agree with the folks who say there should be the option. Stores that wanted to open could, it would be their choice. For me, Saturday is the day I'm tired and want to rest. I just got off a long work week and I want to sleep in, relax and chill out. By the time Sunday rolls around, I am rested from two good nights sleep. For me, it was a great day to do my shopping. The other reason for me is weather. With the option to shop on either day, you can choose to take advantage of which ever day has better weather to enjoy free time. I like to shop when the weather is bad, so if thats a Sunday, thats my day to shop. Who wants to be in a grocery store on a beautiful Saturday if you know Sunday is supposed to be rainy?
So wait a moment. During the hours you work, the shops are open. When you can shop, the shops are closed.
You suggest the remedy to this is that the shops get more flexible.
In other words. The problem is with somebody else.
If this really is a concern, why don't you change to more flexible hours? If it's all the same to you you could work on Sundays and take Tuesdays off for shopping. Why do you demand others do what you're not preparted to do yourself?
If you demand flexibility from others, why not show some yourself?
Not it's not - petrol lawnmowers, those leaf-blowers, power drills, angle grinders, chain saws etc etc etc.
Quietness doesn't have an economic benefit - just a mental one.
It's called efficiency. Go into the shop, stack the stuff you need, pay, and go home. If it takes more than 25 minutes you're doing something wrong.
Name one country that has a "free market".
There are plenty of places to get fresh bread on Sundays, even in our dinky little town the baker is open on Sunday morning.
The problem is when people can't think of anything else to do on Sunday but go shopping.
Personally, I don't really care either way since now I work freelance. But even when I was working full time out of the house I was able to adapt to the hours that are given to me. Most people I know find a way to eat & buy things with the current opening hours. So I figure we can too.
Let's analyse this so called free market and choice thing.
I have come back from a vacation in the USA, the land of free market and of choice. The land where shops are open 24/7. And guess what? Many areas don't have shops. So you can hark about them being open 24/7 but if there isn't a shop within walking distance of your house that's not really much use. That's the result of free market forces concentrating shopping into fewer and fewer locations. I prefer the Swiss system with a shop that is open sometimes at least. One option is more choice than zero options. And some of these people were driving really long distances to go shopping, much further than most people in Zürich have to get to the airport or the HB. But imagine if the airport and the HB werethe only places with shops, not just on Sundays but every day. Beautiful world.
It's actually quite nice to work weekends and have days off in the week. You don't have to take time out of work to go take care of personal errands or see doctors. Not to mention it's very nice to have TWO days to shop!
What's this thing about shopping hat make people see it so positively.
Shopping helps me get the basics so that I can continue to exist.
It's like visiting the dentist or going to the lavatory.
There are more meaningful things in life.
I get paid per hour, which I've heard is not uncommon in Switzerland. So when I take time out of my work day to go shopping, or to the doctor, or to get a haircut, or to go to the post etc, I lose money.
Or , I could go Saturday. JOY: Wake up at 7:00 AM, run to the Post office for a registered letter, take the train to Migro, take the train back home to dump my groceries, get back on a train to Zürich, try to find a hairdresser who isn't already booked for the day, give up, go to the doctor's appointment, go back home, cook, do laundry (if not already occupied), study (when exactly, I don't know), clean the house, take bottles to depot, mow the lawn, take car/motorcycle to garage to get fixed, etc, etc etc
So I choose the ''lose money'' during the week option. Why I am forced to make such a decision though, is still beyond me, even with all the arguments presented above.
For the people in Zurich: the Helvetiaplatz fresh market is operational Tuesdays and Fridays from 6am-11am (perfect for me, as I can go before work and sometimes I even met my foodie boss there and we bought gipfeli for the team ). The coop near Central is open Mon-Sat from 7am to 10pm, and of course someone else already mentioned the HB shops.
And the wonderful Viadukt!
All these options, including keeping a tote bag in the office and doing a bit extra shopping as I go out to buy lunch, have worked for me so far...